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IEE-Fi

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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2020/05/22 (Fri) 18:20:33 #8228
	I don't see much 8 in the Fi description. Not to say that somebody who resonates with 8 wouldn't also resonate with it, but it does have an archetypal backbone that is better filled in with 6. Taking from Meged & Ovcharov on Wikisocion: Knows how to find an approach to each person. Seems somewhat affectatious in his behavior. Readily gives compliments to people with a sincere desire to raise their mood and spirits, to do something pleasant for them. Tries to encourage everyone, to instill confidence in success. Charming and diplomatic. Of flaws and shortcomings speaks in a joking manner, so as not to offend. Talks of his own difficulties and troubles with humor, due to which some may come to view him as a carefree, light-minded, unproblematic person. Due to his desire to maintain good relations with everyone can overload himself with unnecessary contacts. Not accepting of conventions and prejudices. Trusting by nature: in a conversation can say too much, considering secrecy a sign of cowardice or insecurity. This is veeeeery Social 6 tinted. I don't think it's obvious if you try to compare and contrast 6 descriptions or anything, but I do think the 6 archetype (Social 6 especially) is implied to deal with social conflict by attributing some sort of immutability to what creates it, and therefore ignores it by deprioritizing aspects of the relationship that led to what created that conflict [because Social Sixes want to fit into The Harmony that allows them to have social standing]. The lines "of flaws and shortcomings speaks in a joking manner, so as not to offend. Talks of his own difficulties and troubles with humor" allude to that same discomfort that would be exhibited by a Social 6, since these flaws are "burdens carrying imperfection" that a 6 may feel distances them from The Harmony. It's very 7 in the sense that there's pain avoidance involved here, but it can be extended... I talk about my flaws jokingly to avoid seriously dwelling on them, which would lead to me disconnecting from The Harmony that I depend on for comfort and security. I think you could also phrase it as "I'm afraid of showing vulnerability" but that's misleading because of how the concept is traditionally worded that way with type 8, even though it's different from what's beign described here. Vulnerability here is about social security, not exposing weaknesses. "Trusting by nature: in a conversation can say too much, considering secrecy a sign of cowardice or insecurity" isn't 8 either, but rather more like a Sexual 6 (see the strength & beauty aspect). Nor is any of this: Single-minded, purposeful, determined, active and mobile... with his energy, optimism, and hard work he usually achieves his goals. He is able to overcome great obstacles. Sometimes he does even the incredible at the last moment, when seemingly there were no chances. Does not become lost under any circumstances. Even if he's unsure of himself, demonstrates courage and determination, with which he can psychologically disarm an opponent. The certainty dynamic is one that actually references type 6 again, and it's done in a way that coincides with what I thought screamed 6 to me in the Ne subtype. It's that "searching for the holes and weaknesses that can be used advantageously in conflict" thing. It seems like something that would be covered by type 8, but 8 will use its understanding of force [of will] to deal with conflict and won't "scope out for" or "hide away from" the way a 6 would. Dislikes letting people down and becomes very upset if he fails to fulfill his agreements. Tries to fight irresponsibility in himself and atone for his fault in any way. Values the opinions of people in his circle. Feels offended if there are doubts of his abilities, his logic and business qualities. Self-critical, still the criticism of others wounds him deeply. Inclined to risky adventures, that improve his vitality, travels and makes trips with much pleasure. He is often not careful enough and reckless in his actions. Needs care and attention of people around him. Not indifferent to comfort, but is unable to constantly maintain order and organization. From everyday and household problems, as well as from any routine, gets tired easily. Not thrifty and economical, careless, negatively views any manifestations of greed. Likes beautiful things. This is all, again, lightly Social 6. There isn't anything explicit to point out, but if you imagine the envisioned archetype from earlier and how it ties into Social 6 behavior and avoids 8 behavior, I think you should recognize the "Social 6 coloring" to everything here. Also re: Ne subtype. I don't really see core 7 there. It works, yes, but it emphasizes the 6 aspects a lot and doesn't get into what would make it 7 very much (and if anything, more as an extension of the complicated cp 6-like archetype it lays out).

Editing post #8228 by strawberry crisis I don't see much 8 in the Fi description. Not to say that somebody who resonates with 8 wouldn't also resonate with it, but it does have an archetypal backbone that is better filled in with 6.<br><br>Taking from Meged & Ovcharov on Wikisocion:<br>Knows how to find an approach to each person. Seems somewhat affectatious in his behavior. Readily gives compliments to people with a sincere desire to raise their mood and spirits, to do something pleasant for them. Tries to encourage everyone, to instill confidence in success. Charming and diplomatic. Of flaws and shortcomings speaks in a joking manner, so as not to offend. Talks of his own difficulties and troubles with humor, due to which some may come to view him as a carefree, light-minded, unproblematic person. Due to his desire to maintain good relations with everyone can overload himself with unnecessary contacts. Not accepting of conventions and prejudices. Trusting by nature: in a conversation can say too much, considering secrecy a sign of cowardice or insecurity.<br><br>This is veeeeery Social 6 tinted. I don't think it's obvious if you try to compare and contrast 6 descriptions or anything, but I do think the 6 archetype (Social 6 especially) is implied to deal with social conflict by attributing some sort of immutability to what creates it, and therefore ignores it by deprioritizing aspects of the relationship that led to what created that conflict [because Social Sixes want to fit into The Harmony that allows them to have social standing]. <br><br>The lines "of flaws and shortcomings speaks in a joking manner, so as not to offend. Talks of his own difficulties and troubles with humor" allude to that same discomfort that would be exhibited by a Social 6, since these flaws are "burdens carrying imperfection" that a 6 may feel distances them from The Harmony. It's very 7 in the sense that there's pain avoidance involved here, but it can be extended... I talk about my flaws jokingly to avoid seriously dwelling on them, which would lead to me disconnecting from The Harmony that I depend on for comfort and security. I think you could also phrase it as "I'm afraid of showing vulnerability" but that's misleading because of how the concept is traditionally worded that way with type 8, even though it's different from what's beign described here. Vulnerability here is about social security, not exposing weaknesses.<br><br>"Trusting by nature: in a conversation can say too much, considering secrecy a sign of cowardice or insecurity" isn't 8 either, but rather more like a Sexual 6 (see the strength & beauty aspect).<br>Nor is any of this:<br>Single-minded, purposeful, determined, active and mobile... with his energy, optimism, and hard work he usually achieves his goals. He is able to overcome great obstacles. Sometimes he does even the incredible at the last moment, when seemingly there were no chances. Does not become lost under any circumstances. Even if he's unsure of himself, demonstrates courage and determination, with which he can psychologically disarm an opponent.<br>The certainty dynamic is one that actually references type 6 again, and it's done in a way that coincides with what I thought screamed 6 to me in the Ne subtype. It's that "searching for the holes and weaknesses that can be used advantageously in conflict" thing. It seems like something that would be covered by type 8, but 8 will use its understanding of force [of will] to deal with conflict and won't "scope out for" or "hide away from" the way a 6 would.<br><br>Dislikes letting people down and becomes very upset if he fails to fulfill his agreements. Tries to fight irresponsibility in himself and atone for his fault in any way. Values the opinions of people in his circle. Feels offended if there are doubts of his abilities, his logic and business qualities. Self-critical, still the criticism of others wounds him deeply.<br><br>Inclined to risky adventures, that improve his vitality, travels and makes trips with much pleasure. He is often not careful enough and reckless in his actions. Needs care and attention of people around him. Not indifferent to comfort, but is unable to constantly maintain order and organization. From everyday and household problems, as well as from any routine, gets tired easily. Not thrifty and economical, careless, negatively views any manifestations of greed. Likes beautiful things.<br>This is all, again, lightly Social 6. There isn't anything explicit to point out, but if you imagine the envisioned archetype from earlier and how it ties into Social 6 behavior and avoids 8 behavior, I think you should recognize the "Social 6 coloring" to everything here.<br><br>Also re: Ne subtype. I don't really see core 7 there. It works, yes, but it emphasizes the 6 aspects a lot and doesn't get into what would make it 7 very much (and if anything, more as an extension of the complicated cp 6-like archetype it lays out).
Replying to post #8228 by strawberry crisis

date	username	vote
20/11/14 19:11	Tman	ENFP
20/05/22 15:34	Thyssen	ENFP
20/05/22 04:40	Diobono	ENFP

date	username	vote
20/05/22 18:23	Tman	ENFP
20/05/22 15:34	Thyssen	ENFP

date	username	vote
20/05/22 18:22	Tman	7w6
20/05/22 15:34	Thyssen	7w6
20/05/22 15:11	strawberry crisis	7w6
20/05/22 04:39	Diobono	6w7

date	username	vote
20/05/22 18:22	Tman	so/sx

date	username	vote
20/11/14 19:10	Tman	729
20/05/22 04:39	Diobono	629

date	username	vote
20/05/22 18:23	Tman	IEE

date	username	vote
20/11/14 19:10	Tman	EVFL
20/05/22 15:34	Thyssen	EVLF