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Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te 2018/11/01 (Thu) 08:04:48 #3970
The logic is deduced by socionics. Using this system, you can't have strong sensing as well as intuition, therefore either the system is incorrect or the historical account of his abilities are. In fact, Stratiyevskaya even said this using SLEs as an example... "If only with such overwhelming volitional sensing the SLE would also be invulnerable by intuition... Unfortunately, in nature one excludes the other making this impossible. However much the SLE tries to develop this function, it will never be sufficiently strong for him. It even happens that by this he weakens his "program" function: he starts to wait and calculate his chances when he needs to act and proceed forward with will and determination." And Napoleon did have advisors, e.g. Jean Lannes and of course Talleyrand and he said this... "The battle is won not by the one who gave good advice, but the one who took responsibility for its implementation and gave the orders" — Napoleon Bonaparte. What "good advice" is he talking about? "The ESTp is suggestible by various forecasts and prognoses. Wary of the gloomy ones. For this very reason representatives of this type are inclined to listen to conjectures that are based on divination, omens, and guess-work." - Stratiyevskaya Seeing as you type him as SLE you can't disagree that it's Ni. Also, since Stratiyevskaya types Napoleon as SLE as you do, I will quote her comments on SLE specifically in regards to their lack of long-range thinking and foresight. "ESTp's distribution of power is always very primitive: "either-or" - there is no alternative. This is because the SLE is always focused on close-range goals – either he takes it, or he doesn't." "ESTp's "volitional program" consists of consecutive achievements of short-range goals by all means possible." "He builds his strategy counting on his ability to improvise for success: 'The main thing is to engage, and from there we'll see'." "The SLE often runs into some problems with time allocation for completing the necessary work. Many people of this type will thoroughly structure their day, try to carry out that which was outlined for the day, be everywhere on time, not be late to anything - and nevertheless there constantly come up some unforeseen circumstances that shift their plans to one direction or another. As any sensing type, the ESTp tries to accomplish the maximum amount of work in a single unit of time, which goes without saying leads to an overload, excessive stain and stress. Thankfully the SLE has such a great consultant as the IEI, who is keen on timeliness and opportuneness of any matter and any work, and who can remind the SLE of the fact that "work will never cease", such that the SLE indeed starts to notice that he has been working too hard and needs to take a break."

Editing post #3970 by Resonare <p>The logic is deduced by socionics. Using this system, you can't have strong sensing as well as intuition, therefore either the system is incorrect or the historical account of his abilities are. In fact, Stratiyevskaya even said this using SLEs as an example...</p> <p> </p> <p>"If only with such overwhelming volitional sensing the SLE would also be invulnerable by intuition... Unfortunately, in nature one excludes the other making this impossible. However much the SLE tries to develop this function, it will never be sufficiently strong for him. It even happens that by this he weakens his "program" function: he starts to wait and calculate his chances when he needs to act and proceed forward with will and determination."</p> <p> </p> <p>And Napoleon did have advisors, e.g. Jean Lannes and of course Talleyrand and he said this...</p> <p> </p> <p>"The battle is won not by the one who gave good advice, but the one who took responsibility for its implementation and gave the orders" — Napoleon Bonaparte.</p> <p> </p> <p>What "good advice" is he talking about?</p> <p> </p> <p>"The ESTp is suggestible by various forecasts and prognoses. Wary of the gloomy ones. For this very reason representatives of this type are inclined to listen to conjectures that are based on divination, omens, and guess-work." - Stratiyevskaya</p> <p> </p> <p>Seeing as you type him as SLE you can't disagree that it's Ni.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>Also, since Stratiyevskaya types Napoleon as SLE as you do, I will quote her comments on SLE specifically in regards to their lack of long-range thinking and foresight.</p> <p> </p> <p>"ESTp's distribution of power is always very primitive: "either-or" - there is no alternative. This is because the SLE is always focused on close-range goals – either he takes it, or he doesn't."</p> <p> </p> <p>"ESTp's "volitional program" consists of consecutive achievements of short-range goals by all means possible."</p> <p> </p> <p>"He builds his strategy counting on his ability to improvise for success: 'The main thing is to engage, and from there we'll see'."</p> <p> </p> <p>"The SLE often runs into some problems with time allocation for completing the necessary work. Many people of this type will thoroughly structure their day, try to carry out that which was outlined for the day, be everywhere on time, not be late to anything - and nevertheless there constantly come up some unforeseen circumstances that shift their plans to one direction or another. As any sensing type, the ESTp tries to accomplish the maximum amount of work in a single unit of time, which goes without saying leads to an overload, excessive stain and stress. Thankfully the SLE has such a great consultant as the IEI, who is keen on timeliness and opportuneness of any matter and any work, and who can remind the SLE of the fact that "work will never cease", such that the SLE indeed starts to notice that he has been working too hard and needs to take a break."</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/11/01 (Thu) 03:45:37 #3968
	"History is written by the winners. If you believe every flattering account of someone's abilities then you're naive." i know history is writed by the winners , but we don't have any proof of this IEI planner. "And I'm not going to define the basics of socionics for you" of course because you can't and because i am the only one between us who have it.

Editing post #3968 by fg <p>"History is written by the winners. If you believe every flattering account of someone's abilities then you're naive." i know history is writed by the winners , but we don't have any proof of this IEI planner. "And I'm not going to define the basics of socionics for you" of course because you can't and because i am the only one between us who have it.</p>
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Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te 2018/10/31 (Wed) 19:25:23 #3966
History is written by the winners. If you believe every flattering account of someone's abilities then you're naive. And I'm not going to define the basics of socionics for you. Do some research into the functions instead of reading bad descriptions. SLE is at best good at short-term planning and planning for the organization of resources. Goals are set by the SLE, how to get there is planned by the IEI.

Editing post #3966 by Resonare <p>History is written by the winners. If you believe every flattering account of someone's abilities then you're naive.<br /> </p> <p>And I'm not going to define the basics of socionics for you. Do some research into the functions instead of reading bad descriptions. SLE is at best good at short-term planning and planning for the organization of resources. Goals are set by the SLE, how to get there is planned by the IEI.</p>
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Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te 2018/10/31 (Wed) 18:35:38 #3962
Having a focus on it only indicates that it (Ni) is in values. Being good at it indicates it's a strong function. One thing to remember about historical Se-base types is that they often had a council of Ni types planning for them. Afterall, Se base types are about setting the goal and having the volitional force to reach it, but it's the Ni-base types who actually identify the route to be taken, set targets and do the actual planning.

Editing post #3962 by Resonare <p>Having a focus on it only indicates that it (Ni) is in values. Being good at it indicates it's a strong function.</p> <p> </p> <p>One thing to remember about historical Se-base types is that they often had a council of Ni types planning for them. Afterall, Se base types are about setting the goal and having the volitional force to reach it, but it's the Ni-base types who actually identify the route to be taken, set targets and do the actual planning.</p>
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Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te 2018/10/12 (Fri) 15:14:39 #3616
His leadership and strategic abilities stem from Ne. He's far too inquisitive and curious for an SLE. Also, he (and Aang) rely on Katara's 4D Si a lot which puts her under stress from having to use an unvalued function, to the point where she appears to be the elder sibling having to play adult for for the pair of them. In fact, the goofing off Aang and Sokka do during the show is typical of the kindred relationship between Ne dominant types. Sokka is good at long-term planning and contingency planning which is very N. The show makes a point to highlight how incapable he is of taking care of himself in day to day activities as humor. Alpha quadra is fairly obvious.

Editing post #3616 by Resonare <p>His leadership and strategic abilities stem from Ne. He's far too inquisitive and curious for an SLE.</p> <p>Also, he (and Aang) rely on Katara's 4D Si a lot which puts her under stress from having to use an unvalued function, to the point where she appears to be the elder sibling having to play adult for for the pair of them. In fact, the goofing off Aang and Sokka do during the show is typical of the kindred relationship between Ne dominant types.</p> <p>Sokka is good at long-term planning and contingency planning which is very N. The show makes a point to highlight how incapable he is of taking care of himself in day to day activities as humor. Alpha quadra is fairly obvious.</p>
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date	username	vote
22/08/26 11:32	GIJOEBusta Cap	ESTJ
20/05/02 13:35	TheMemphis	ENTJ
19/02/21 06:53	Ledar	ENTJ
18/12/04 17:07	twinpinks	ENTP
19/08/24 12:40	Tman	ENTJ

date	username	vote
22/08/26 11:32	GIJOEBusta Cap	ESTJ
19/07/07 22:44	Lol	ESTJ
18/12/03 17:20	tman	ESTJ
18/05/15 11:35	fg	ESTJ

date	username	vote
22/08/26 11:32	GIJOEBusta Cap	6w5
20/05/02 13:35	TheMemphis	6w7
19/07/07 22:44	Lol	6w5
19/01/28 22:04	tman	6w5
18/05/15 11:35	fg	6w5

date	username	vote
22/08/26 11:32	GIJOEBusta Cap	so/sp
20/05/02 13:35	TheMemphis	so/sp
19/08/24 12:39	Tman	so/sp
18/05/15 11:35	fg	sp/so

date	username	vote
19/07/20 19:58	tman	638

date	username	vote
22/08/26 11:32	GIJOEBusta Cap	LIE
20/05/02 13:35	TheMemphis	LIE
19/09/22 13:49	Phantom	LIE
19/08/02 18:22	tman	LIE
18/06/28 11:52	Resonare	ILE
18/06/21 11:25	fg	SLE