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BasedGOD

ESTP

8w9

SLE

2020/04/11 (Sat) 00:01:12

#7969

http://youtu.be/2-ISgGEcJCQ

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Thyssen

ILI

2020/03/29 (Sun) 22:47:42

#7826

Yeah.

If I didnt have to choose between the two, I would say that it is 3F and 3E. Although, the attention towards reducing overstimulation in hopes of reducing sensitivity might result in conservative tendencies, which would kinda be similar to 2F. This is because they often like managing their external environment to simply reduce the tension that it can cause.

This is specifically why I vote F > E.

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sp/Sx

ILI

2020/03/29 (Sun) 18:47:52

#7825

I was more ephizing F then I was de emphaizing E. Some parts of the autism spectricm deal with sensory issuses, and hyper senstivity to stimulus. I chose F 3rd rather then F 2nd becuse those interaction with stimulies are gerenaly in an overwhelmeing and negtive way.

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Thyssen

ILI

2020/03/29 (Sun) 16:05:02

#7822

for fucks sake, accidentally submitted.

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Thyssen

ILI

2020/03/29 (Sun) 16:03:35

#7821

Why would Autism be 4E and not 3E? Autism(in a diagnostic sense) is not usually characterized by a lack of concern for emotions or being extremely calm, rather an insecurity and unsureness of how to act or identify emotions in general. This aligns better with 3E, because most of the time 

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jt

ISFJ

1

<3 fg

2019/08/01 (Thu) 07:31:33

#6810

45% of people Blood Type O. Are the same percentage of people with autism Blood Type O? Probably.

See Jean Mastellone

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/22 (Mon) 02:20:10

#3788

Intelligence is not defined as N, unless you have a very narrow definition of intelligence.  Please refer back to the theories of multiple intelligences. 

Combining various intelligences into a big picture view is consistent with N - abstractions and pattern development.

Intelligences that harvest the senses are consistent with S - concrete and experiential. 

Some high functioning autistics have photographic memory.  Some have memorized a series of great jokes and can provide a standup comedy routine at parties that bring a lot of joy to their loved ones.  These are intelligent skills.

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Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys

INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 23:54:11

#3786

I can address all that once you guys stop ducking the question. If intelligence is basically defined as N than how can intelligent autistics be S? Also the meme came about because there's truth to it so you can stop with the strawman that its just a meme.

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/21 (Sun) 23:00:14

#3785

Asked and answered already - helpful comments below from at least 3 different respondents.

www.google.com/search?q=autism+abstract+thinking&oq=autism+abstract+thinking

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/

I would be suspicious of people identifying as autistic who appear to be self-promoting - this would obviate the diagnosis. 

Let's not base our understanding of autism on anonymously-authored memes depicting celebrities as being afflicted by a mainly debilitating disorder.

High-functioning autistics have S-based skills such as excellent memories - a strong memory is one type of intelligence.  But they do not exhibit the characteristics typical of N-type intelligence.

As an aside, S-type intelligences are very valuable and not inferior to N-type intelligence - both are needed.

It may also worth noting some of the deficits associated with N-types - frequent lack of concreteness of their ideas, head in the clouds, getting lost, constantly having to re-derive equations because they did not memorize formulas.

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 20:39:12

#3784

Show me where it says in the diagnosis that they have trouble thinking abstractly. You're just taking their inability to read social cues as meaning "inability to think abstractly"

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 20:37:11

#3783

I'm talking about the intelligent ones, you're glossing over that. How can intelligence be defined as N if intelligent autistics are not N?

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Teru Mikami

2018/10/21 (Sun) 20:26:12

#3782

Stop glossing over so many things, it literally says 37-46% have such low IQs they're considered intellectually disabled which is mentioned in every credible source, their inability to read between the lines applies to every area (not just spoken word but it's easier to notice)  and autism is ISTJ not because it goes both ways but because it's a clinical exaggeration of every individual letter

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 19:40:41

#3781

If I were to argue like you then I could just say it's not ISTJ because ISTJs are common and by definition normal, whereas autism is abnormal. By the way you guys are defining it all ISTJs would be autistic. 

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 19:38:58

#3780

It doesn't say that they have trouble with abstraction though, only social cues which is why they interpret everything literally. I wasn't just talking about math and math is abstract. I was talking about things that intelligent people gravitate towards. Such as art, music, science, literature. If this is how intelligence is defined and there are autists in the genius range than how could it be S? The fact that there are autists in the genius range means that they must be N. It's simple, either ISTJs are more intelligent than INTJs, or intelligence shouldn't be defined by abstraction.

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Teru Mikami

2018/10/21 (Sun) 19:04:52

#3777

38% of people with autism are intellectually disabled according to intelligence measurement tests (25-70% according to wikipedia), compared to 1% in the general population. I'm not just talking about social cues either, abstract thought includes being able to spot and generate patterns, meanings and references which people with autism by definition are chronically worse at than the general population (all of this is N criteria). Autism is factual tunnel vision and not even close to "abstract thought", and by definition S. The mathematical fields you brought up apply only to intelligent autists and not because they're abstract but because of their factual, concrete and literal nature that's easy to grasp for them. You won't find many autistic philosophers.

 

But you know there's also the Myers-Briggs foundation's criteria for N:

 

I remember events by what I read "between the lines" about their meaning.

I solve problems by leaping between different ideas and possibilities.

I am interested in doing things that are new and different.

I like to see the big picture, then to find out the facts.

I trust impressions, symbols, and metaphors more than what I actually experienced

Sometimes I think so much about new possibilities that I never look at how to make them a reality.

 

doesn't really look very N now does it

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 18:29:40

#3766

There's no official statistics but from what I'm seeing online is the people claiming to be autistic are mostly INTJs, followed by INTP, followed by other INxx types

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 18:18:29

#3764

I addressed all of that though. There's a difference between abdtract thought and social cues, routine has more to do with ITJ, each letter individually than S. P is anti-ISTJ. There are enneagram 7 ESxPs, no enneagram 7 INxJs and fewer enneagram 7 ENxJs and INxPs than ESxPs. Intelligence is defined as understanding abstract concepts and many autistics are highly intelligent. Highly intelligent people gravitate towards jobs and interests that are abstract in nature. By definition they would have to be N. 

 

It is N

 

I could excuse you thinking it's N but to think it's 6 over 5 is just straight up intellectual dishonesty.

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Teru Mikami

2018/10/21 (Sun) 18:08:05

#3763

Some of the core symptoms of autism include taking everything literally, having a need for routine and extreme aversion to change, and they do have trouble with abstract thought as on top of not getting social cues they don't get references or hidden meanings in any way either, they take in everything in its most literal, factual form (there's mathematics for you)

 

It's S 

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 17:30:19

#3760

No it is not, it can't be. If autistics were primarily ISTJ it would be a contradiction as I've shown.

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 15:14:40

#3758

Intuitive bias, figures, trying to refefine autism. Even when presented with proof they cant argue against

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switchblades

INFP

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2018/10/21 (Sun) 12:04:00

#3755

Also ISTjs are smarter than INTjs 

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switchblades

INFP

delete

2018/10/21 (Sun) 11:37:09

#3753

Such a shame, both of you got it wrong! Inserting links into the comment box is simple with common knowledge of how technology works. Silly...

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 03:07:18

#3749

Well first of all I don't see how asking that question would prove anything. It could be a dream, it may not be, it could be a projection created by your mind if you subscribe to that theory. Or are you just glad I'm back? Yes! That must be it! I am the man of your dreams and you just can't believe I'm back

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 02:31:05

#3747

I believe he is, many others do as well and it's a meme at this point but whatever. OCD IS a component of autism. I can't find any statistics on it but being so close to ISTJ an INTJ should be one of the top candidates of people who suffer from it. I'm well aware of multiple intelligence theory.

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/21 (Sun) 02:22:37

#3746

 Zuckerberg is not likely autistic nor a savant - but just a fortunate business man with some (fairly minimal) technical skills in the right place at the right time. 

OCD is not a component of autism, though both can be found in some individuals. 

If you want a thread on which types are prone to OCD, a new database entry is needed. 

Also, you might wish to acquaint yourself with Multiple Intelligence Theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences.

 

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 02:02:24

#3745

I'm aware most intelligent people arent autistic but they have an increased chance of being autistic. Most intelligent people by definition would be an exception to the rule. Mark Zuckerburg for example I believe to be on the spectrum. Also they tend to focus on one thing and dig deep. A specific science, math, etc.

 

Yes, ISTJs are those things and it coorelates to S. Problem is it coordlates more to ITJ than S, even any of those 3 individual letters I would say take precedent over S. Considering ESxPs hate routine, further proven by how many of them are enneagram 7s and Sx doms. P by definition would be anti-ISTJ. ISTJ seems to be defined promarily by J. OCD is most common in INTJs or close to most common. Idk if tradition is applicapable here but not in the context that you're using it I'm pretty sure.

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/21 (Sun) 01:03:53

#3743

Stated below "intelligent autistics present a broad ability to understand abstraction" if rephrased

"intelligent people present a broad ability to understand abstraction" would be correct.

 

 

 

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/21 (Sun) 00:57:47

#3742

Stated below: "the smarter you are the more likely you are to be on the spectrum" - this is incorrect.  Most smart people are not autistic, nor on the spectrum.  The most successful smart people are very unlikely to be on the spectrum, since success normally requires a broad range of intelligences to be combined.

Similarly, most Enneagram 6's are not autistic.  And very few ISTJ's are autistic.  However, correlation charts show that Enneagram 1 and 6 are the most common pairings for ISTJ.

ISTJ's are characterized by a love of routine, tradition, consistency, maintaining normative behavior.  Don't forget though that in 4th place the ISTJ uses extroverted intuition - and a well-developed ISTJ uses it in ways that defy the lesser-developed ISTJ style.

Let's all please review set theory and Venn diagrams :)

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/21 (Sun) 00:12:45

#3741

You forgot this part " Usually just one special skill is present" an idiot savant is not someone that is truly intelligent. I'm talking about intelligent autistics, not the ones that are below average. Intelligent autistics present a broad ability to understand abstraction and tend to be interested in it. It's simple, either abstraction doesn't have to do with intelligence or the fact that you can even have highly intelligent autistics means that they're INTJs

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/20 (Sat) 23:57:25

#3740

Please read this article:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/

"Finally, autism is the only psychiatric condition characterized by notable rates of savant skills, which in this context represent highly-structured, rule-based abilities largely restricted to a few spheres of mental ability: calendar calculating, rote memory, mathematical computation, musical memory, and realistic drawing (Howlin et al., 2009; Snyder, 2009; Treffert, 2014; Meilleur et al., 2015). Savantism appears to represent an extreme of imbalanced components of mental ability in autism, given its highly limited range of enhancements and apparent negative associations of special skills with verbal and social abilities (Crespi and Leach, 2016)."

Autistics can have fantastic skills that are narrowly focused and generally empirically or rules-derived.  They can be highly valuable specialists.  Reliable, honest, dedicated.

Contrast with the (negative) stereotypes of the INTJ - the ninja, the mastermind, the sneaky intellectual - not consistent with the features of autism.  I won't go into the postive aspects of INTJ or INTP here, but autism is not consistent with either of them. 

 

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/20 (Sat) 18:08:54

#3736

I had to type it manually cause you can't copy and paste on this stupid site. Thanks for posting it Teru

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johncena

UNKNOWN MBTI

3

2018/10/20 (Sat) 17:54:28

#3733

INTP

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/20 (Sat) 17:25:38

#3731

http://www.quora.com/If-Aspies-have-difficulty-with-abstract-thinking-then-why-do-so-many-mathematicians-have-autistic-traits

All you did was pull up one sentence, no articles or anything.

It also ignores what I said, if intelligence is defined as ability to grasp abstract concepts and autistics have trouble with it then why are so many of them geniuses or close to it?

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strawberry crisis

enfp

7

2018/10/20 (Sat) 16:17:14

#3730

www.google.com/search?q=autism+abstract+thinking&oq=autism+abstract+thinking

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/20 (Sat) 11:39:42

#3725

Except that that doesn't really have to do with abstraction. That has more to do with socializing and picking up social cues. Nowhere does it actually say that they have a problem with thinking abstractly. And why would they? How could they if that's how intelligence is basically defined and many autistics are highly intelligent? The smarter you are the higher chance you have of being on the spectrum, you'll at least have traits associated with it. Enneagram 5 is the ultimate example of an introvert, there's nothing particularly debilatating about enneagram 6 considering most of the population is 6. To say that a type tha is regularly ExFx has more traits of autism than a type that pretty much only fits into IxTx is dishonest as best.

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LadyX

intp

5

2018/10/20 (Sat) 02:20:48

#3718




From the Autism Wiki: "Autistic people tend to take things literally. They may have trouble with metaphors, sarcasm, and figures of speech - failing to recognise the difference between a joke and something serious."

Autism is embodied in a lack of intuition and discomfort with improvisation.  Meanwhile, extreme honesty, reliability and loyalty are associated with Autism.  Contrary to the old definitions, it is no longer thought that Autistics lack empathy, but rather that they lack the ability to manipulate others or pretend to exhibit emotions they do not feel.

These traits are consistent with ISTJ, not INTJ.

Enneagram 5 generally involves in-depth problem solving - not the usual realm of ISTJ's.

Enneagram 6 involves reliabilty, detailed memory and dedication to maintaining procedures.  Seeking protection, is also typical, as would be needed by some autistic people, depending on the level of needs they have.



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INTP

5w4

2018/10/20 (Sat) 01:12:40

#3716

Also, enneagram 5 is much more correct than 6 if we're not being bias. Enneagram 5 has much more tendencies of autism than 6. Especially when you can have e6 ExFxs

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INTP

5w4

2018/10/20 (Sat) 01:10:25

#3715

Shouldn't it be INTJ? Autism like INTJ coorelates strongly with high intellect. Unless you're saying that ISTJs are smarter than INTJs

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