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Psychological Strategy

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Iconoclasm


Psychological Strategy

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp

ILI

2020/04/06 (Mon) 15:43:41

#7887


Like Lady X said before, I was more describbing the practice of attacking revered and ancieint ideas or insatutions in favor of radical new ideas rather then litteral vandism. The actual, litterlal inconclasts were probably mostly 6w5s and 1w2s. 

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/05 (Sun) 15:51:56

#7875

It was still a violent, superstitious practice. You don't explain your typing of them.

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp

ILI

2020/04/05 (Sun) 15:35:42

#7874

The original incolasts destroyed Icons, not out of hatred of the holy, but out of an (admittedly misplaced) respect for the holy, it came out of the old testament comdanets that "though shalt not create graven images." Even when this instic is at it's worst, when it is amungst the percuters of other religions, you still find at least a pretenns of respect for the holyness of there own religoion.

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/05 (Sun) 15:28:50

#7873

I can understand that line of reasoning but I'm unable to not take the original, literal meaning. The Iconoclasts were influenced by the successes of the Muslims to destroy religious art and iconography in an attempt to win back the favor of God. They weren't at all 5ish or 4ish in ideology, they were a narrow-minded, superstitious group.

Regarding the Taliban's destruction of the Buddhas, they weren't acting purely out of hatred for iconography. Groups opposed to them were using tourist revenue and NGO funds for their own military funding. So the exact reason for literal iconoclasm cany vary (the Soviets and the Maoists also engaged in it), but it's never out of a desire to create something new. It's always out of a desire to destroy something old and venerable.

cp6 makes sense to me.

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LadyX

intp

5

2020/04/05 (Sun) 14:51:22

#7872

My original cp6w7 vote was for the physical destroyers of icons, including neo-cons who catalyzed the latest round of ancient site defacing. 

But I could see tmans point of view with a 5w4 vote for those who reject traditional focal points and invent new iconology - a symbolic rather than historical group.

Jacobus - what would your vote be?

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp

ILI

2020/04/05 (Sun) 06:07:58

#7871


Thats completly unfair. While they did often suport cesnership, as far as I can tell, the Iconoclasts were not, you know, murders and terroirsts.

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/05 (Sun) 03:25:59

#7862

Iconoclasm literally means destruction of icons/images (of which the Buddhas certainly counted). The name comes from a certain heresy that flourished briefly in the Byzantine Empire before being quashed by the Second Council of Nicaea. The "original" iconoclasts were closer in views and aims to the Taliban.

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LadyX

intp

5

2020/04/05 (Sun) 02:49:06

#7856

The "iconoclasts" who defaced the Buddha were unlikely 5w4. 

Figuratively, 5w4 is routinely reinventing and unconcerned with cherished symbols- they are the real iconoclasts. 

The Buddha-destroyers did not replace what they destroyed with anything -- fake iconoclasts.

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20/04/05 15:29Jacobus ESTJ
20/04/04 14:03Tman NTJ
20/04/05 02:50LadyX INTP
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20/04/05 15:29Jacobus cp6w5
20/04/04 14:00Tman 5w4
20/04/05 02:50LadyX 5w4
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20/04/04 14:00Tman so/sx
20/04/05 02:50LadyX sx/sp
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20/04/04 14:00Tman 584
20/04/04 13:46LadyX 683
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20/04/04 14:02Tman ILE
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20/04/04 14:02Tman VLEF