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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2020/02/17 (Mon) 02:55:59 #7720
	"Wimpy men proudly identifying with Shinji." who? where? most of time he is either hated or create identification but rarely proudly. Sometimes liked for his kindness, i already heard that. but "proudly identifying" seem nothing more than a product of your imagination to make you appear as special . as usual. "My view is that, ultimately, a clone-alien parody of waifuism and whatnot is still a preferable character to a failed man and a failed woman, themes and morals be damned. She deserves a more sympathetic father." your lack of argumentation will never stop to make me facepalm.

Editing post #7720 by fg <p>"Wimpy men proudly identifying with Shinji." who? where? most of time he is either hated or create identification but rarely proudly. Sometimes liked for his kindness, i already heard that. but "proudly identifying" seem nothing more than a product of your imagination to make you appear as special . as usual.</p> <p>"My view is that, ultimately, a clone-alien parody of waifuism and whatnot is still a preferable character to a failed man and a failed woman, themes and morals be damned. She deserves a more sympathetic father." your lack of argumentation will never stop to make me facepalm.</p>
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/02/16 (Sun) 12:28:41 #7716
	Eh. I'm aware of all the satire and commentary Ano was engaging in. NGE isn't a difficult show to understand. All the Freudian-Existentialist bullshit in it has never particularly interested me because I've never needed it myself. I choose my own flaws and my own virtues, ma mèrde has nothing to do with it. My view is that, ultimately, a clone-alien parody of waifuism and whatnot is still a preferable character to a failed man and a failed woman, themes and morals be damned. She deserves a more sympathetic father.

Editing post #7716 by Jacobus <p>Eh. I'm aware of all the satire and commentary Ano was engaging in. NGE isn't a difficult show to understand. All the Freudian-Existentialist bullshit in it has never particularly interested me because I've never needed it myself. I choose my own flaws and my own virtues, ma mèrde has nothing to do with it.</p> <p>My view is that, ultimately, a clone-alien parody of waifuism and whatnot is still a preferable character to a failed man and a failed woman, themes and morals be damned. She deserves a more sympathetic father.</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2020/02/16 (Sun) 02:38:36 #7714
	your analysis and commentary is all wrong like usual. And your preference may even be an indicator of your lack of intelligence and inability in analysis. but i will explain for all of this that of course. Why your comment is stupid? by fg 1:a character does not especially have to earn sympathy. Some character are just written in a way that make it difficult to have sympathy or are just not written to bring sympathy. Shinji and Asuka are written for bringing empathy rather than sympathy. And the absence of one does not create the absence of the other . For example : the death of Envy in FMA, despite being one of the less sympathetic character of the franchise, yet his internal pain tend to touch most of spectators. 2: Rey is a puppet. by that i don't mean that she does not have one single emotion, it's rather that her emotion is programmed in a finalist way. she was programmed from Shinji's mother, her feeling are meant to fulfill a role, both for gendo and shinji. She is meant to represent the oedipian part of Evangelion as well as Gendo. She is meant to appear as the best choice (she is sweet, does have an amount of dignity, does not seem to have a complex towards her sexually formed body, selfless etc...) but it's because she is the simili of an already accomplished woman and most of all is the simili of Shinji's mother. Shinji as any men (according to narrative freudian scheme)does have to overcome this stage of manhood and instead to find a girl that will not reproduce but permit to detach him from her mother to become the new women in his wife in his adulthood life. it lead us to Asuka. 3: Asuka is far from perfect. She have an inferiority-superiority complex, she is violent, self centred and have an unhealthy approach towards her body. She is all what we usually don't want to see in a women. But just like Shinji is all what we don't want to see in a men passive, full of self-pity, perverse but not sexually domineering. They both are humans not yet formed to be adults that are sexually blocked in their oedipian stade (Shinji with Rei, Asuka with Ryoji). Anno does like Asuka rather than Rei because of this and would rather see Shinji with Asuka because she just like Shinji represent the stade of solitude and unformation he had felt before but from a girl's perspective. She is meant to end up with Shinji to become an adult and well formed women just like him have to end up with her to become a men . but why does it not happen, why they don't become a couple? it lead us to the reason you don't understand evangelion. 4: What's evangelion? Evangelion is a Tragedy with teenagers who have to be soldier. The end of the end of evangelion (the movie) reveal us that those two where the heart of the show. but what are those characters. they are teenagers in formation and soldiers-child. The whole problem of the show is that they are this in a tragedy rather than in an epic anime. So it happen like it would happen in a tragedy. their teenager age impede him to fulfill their soldiers mission and their soldiers condition impede them to overcome their teenager problem and become adult. that's why humanity was doomed . And that's why Asuka reject Shinji and he killed her. The masturbation scene is extremely important, Shinji want to have a connexion and sex

Editing post #7714 by fg <p>your analysis and commentary is all wrong like usual. And your preference may even be an indicator of your lack of intelligence and inability in analysis. but i will explain for all of this that of course.</p> <p><strong><span style="color:#c0392b">Why your comment is stupid? by fg</span></strong></p> <p><span style="color:#c0392b"><span style="background-color:#ffffff">1:</span></span>a character does not especially have to earn sympathy. Some character are just written in a way that make it difficult to have sympathy or are just not written to bring sympathy. Shinji and Asuka are written for bringing empathy rather than sympathy. And the absence of one does not create the absence of the other . For example : the death of Envy in FMA, despite being one of the less sympathetic character of the franchise, yet his internal pain tend to touch most of spectators.</p> <p><span style="color:#c0392b">2: </span>Rey is a puppet. by that i don't mean that she does not have one single emotion, it's rather that her emotion is programmed in a finalist way. she was programmed from Shinji's mother, her feeling are meant to fulfill a role, both for gendo and shinji. She is meant to represent the oedipian part of Evangelion as well as Gendo. She is meant to appear as the best choice (she is sweet, does have an amount of dignity, does not seem to have a complex towards her sexually formed body, selfless etc...) but it's because she is the simili of an already accomplished woman and most of all is the simili of Shinji's mother. Shinji as any men (according to narrative freudian scheme)does have to overcome this stage of manhood and instead to find a girl that will not reproduce but permit to detach him from her mother to become the new women in his wife in his adulthood life. it lead us to Asuka.</p> <p><span style="color:#c0392b">3: </span>Asuka is far from perfect. She have an inferiority-superiority complex, she is violent, self centred and have an unhealthy approach towards her body. She is all what we usually don't want to see in a women. But just like Shinji is all what we don't want to see in a men passive, full of self-pity, perverse but not sexually domineering. They both are humans not yet formed to be adults that are sexually blocked in their oedipian stade (Shinji with Rei, Asuka with Ryoji). Anno does like Asuka rather than Rei because of this and would rather see Shinji with Asuka because she just like Shinji represent the stade of solitude and unformation he had felt before but from a girl's perspective. She is meant to end up with Shinji to become an adult and well formed women just like him have to end up with her to become a men . but why does it not happen, why they don't become a couple? it lead us to the reason you don't understand evangelion.</p> <p>4: What's evangelion? Evangelion is a Tragedy with teenagers who have to be soldier. The end of the end of evangelion (the movie) reveal us that those two where the heart of the show. but what are those characters. they are teenagers in formation and soldiers-child. The whole problem of the show is that they are this in a tragedy rather than in an epic anime. So it happen like it would happen in a tragedy. their teenager age impede him to fulfill their soldiers mission and their soldiers condition impede them to overcome their teenager problem and become adult. that's why humanity was doomed . And that's why Asuka reject Shinji and he killed her. The masturbation scene is extremely important, Shinji want to have a connexion and sex</p> <p> </p>
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/02/16 (Sun) 00:50:14 #7713
	So, I like Rei. Ano (deliberate misspelling) does not like Rei. Ano has always been an admitted Asukaf...friend. The result of this bias on the part of the creator is that the character I view as being much superior is consistently given the short end of the stick. Rei is not a personality-less, emotionless, or soulless character; all this is made clear in the show. Throughout, she's on a path of literal individuation that cruelly gets cut short near the end of the series. She starts out as an emotionally stunted young girl with an understanding only of her perceived purpose: to sacrifice herself to save all mankind. Gradually, this self-sacrificial sort of platonic love for all the world is implied to become focused on Shinji. During all this, she seeks to create an identity for herself with the help of those she cares about. She wants to be independent, she wants to do what's right, she wants to be human. But of course, Ano can't accept all this and so "reveals" via Lilith/Quantum Rei/whatever that the whole time she never had a "self" and really just wanted to die the whole time. That this ironically undermines the "Hey, maybe I shouldn't be a nihilistic, self-defeating coward!" lesson of Ep. 26 is apparently unimportant. While I'm usually quite adament about giving the creator's own views the utmost importance for determining the "meaning" of a work, for NGE I'm all for "death of the author". On a related note: in real life it is necessary to be empathetic as possible with those who are suffering. In fiction, characters have to deserve sympathy. That's to say, a character has to show they're trying to do better and aren't just causing they're own suffering. Rei, Fuyutsuki, Toji, and Ryoji are sympathetic. Misato is sympathetic in some ways, and unsympathetic in others. Shinji and Asuka do not deserve sympathy. These two characters not only do nothing to lessen their own suffering, they do nothing to lessen the suffering of others. Yet, which characters does the show most consistently try to get us to sympethize with?

Editing post #7713 by Jacobus <p>So, I like Rei. Ano (deliberate misspelling) does not like Rei. Ano has always been an admitted Asukaf...friend. The result of this bias on the part of the creator is that the character I view as being much superior is consistently given the short end of the stick. Rei is not a personality-less, emotionless, or soulless character; all this is made clear in the show. Throughout, she's on a path of literal individuation that cruelly gets cut short near the end of the series. She starts out as an emotionally stunted young girl with an understanding only of her perceived purpose: to sacrifice herself to save all mankind. Gradually, this self-sacrificial sort of platonic love for all the world is implied to become focused on Shinji. During all this, she seeks to create an identity for herself with the help of those she cares about. She wants to be independent, she wants to do what's right, she wants to be human. But of course, Ano can't accept all this and so "reveals" via Lilith/Quantum Rei/whatever that the whole time she never had a "self" and really just wanted to die the whole time. That this ironically undermines the "Hey, maybe I shouldn't be a nihilistic, self-defeating coward!" lesson of Ep. 26 is apparently unimportant. While I'm usually quite adament about giving the creator's own views the utmost importance for determining the "meaning" of a work, for NGE I'm all for "death of the author".</p> <p>On a related note: in real life it is necessary to be empathetic as possible with those who are suffering. In fiction, characters have to deserve sympathy. That's to say, a character has to show they're trying to do better and aren't just causing they're own suffering. Rei, Fuyutsuki, Toji, and Ryoji are sympathetic. Misato is sympathetic in some ways, and unsympathetic in others. Shinji and Asuka do not deserve sympathy. These two characters not only do nothing to lessen their own suffering, they do nothing to lessen the suffering of others. Yet, which characters does the show most consistently try to get us to sympethize with?</p>
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2018/12/11 (Tue) 16:09:16 #4203
	In the original series, she starts of all Ni-Ti and gradually develops her Fe and Se as she interacts with others. Since she's unable to properly express her emotions, these developments happen "under the surface". I see in her a desire to do what's right first and formost, a desire to be her own person, as well as a desire to be united to Shinji (sx/sp). She's 1) a fictional character; 2) a young girl in very unusual circumstances. You'll have to look beyond surface aspects and certain inconsistencies to find her "true" personality. The manga provides a somewhat more clear view of all this.

Editing post #4203 by Jacobus <p>In the original series, she starts of all Ni-Ti and gradually develops her Fe and Se as she interacts with others.</p> <p>Since she's unable to properly express her emotions, these developments happen "under the surface". I see in her a desire to do what's right first and formost, a desire to be her own person, as well as a desire to be united to Shinji (sx/sp).</p> <p>She's 1) a fictional character; 2) a young girl in very unusual circumstances. You'll have to look beyond surface aspects and certain inconsistencies to find her "true" personality.</p> <p>The manga provides a somewhat more clear view of all this.</p>
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date	username	vote
22/03/22 23:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	ISTJ
21/12/30 17:49	Reinek	IxTx
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	ISTJ
20/07/13 09:38	ciinna	ISTJ
20/07/16 14:42	Thyssen	ISTJ
19/09/11 13:13	Teru Mikami	INTP
19/07/28 10:07	Asne	ISFJ
19/06/20 17:23	tanchique	ISFJ
19/03/27 10:13	tigertigertiger	INFJ
18/12/08 15:03	Jacobus	INFJ
18/11/08 18:52	tch	ISTJ
18/07/01 10:21	Teenage fantasy	ISTJ
18/06/15 04:01	EON	ISTJ
18/05/17 11:35	Khel	ISTJ

date	username	vote
25/06/01 06:09	rock and roll	ISTJ
22/03/22 23:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	ISTJ
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	ISTJ
20/07/16 14:42	Thyssen	ISTJ
20/07/13 09:37	ciinna	ISTJ
19/01/27 21:53	tch	ISTJ
18/12/19 22:34	Jacobus	INFJ
18/05/17 12:11	fg	ISTJ

date	username	vote
25/06/01 06:09	rock and roll	6w5
22/03/22 23:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	6w5
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	6w5
20/10/24 08:45	Flower-like	5wb
20/07/13 09:37	ciinna	6w5
19/12/29 00:05	Thyssen	6w5
19/03/27 10:14	tigertigertiger	9w8
18/12/08 15:05	Jacobus	5w6
18/05/17 12:12	fg	6w5
18/05/17 11:35	Khel	6w5
18/05/17 11:00	EON	6w5

date	username	vote
22/03/22 23:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	sp/so
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	sp/so
20/10/24 08:49	Flower-like	sx/sp
20/07/13 09:37	ciinna	sp/so
20/02/18 18:35	pollo	sp/sx
18/12/08 15:06	Jacobus	sx/sp
18/05/17 12:12	fg	sp/so

date	username	vote
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	614
19/12/29 00:05	Thyssen	614
18/12/28 01:45	Jacobus	514

date	username	vote
22/03/22 23:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	ILI
21/12/31 13:11	gustyd	ILI
21/01/04 11:09	Helvetica	ILI
20/10/11 00:58	Flower-like	ILI
20/02/18 18:30	pollo	ESI
20/01/27 01:12	Lol	ILI
19/12/29 00:05	Thyssen	ILI
19/09/11 13:12	Teru Mikami	ILI
19/02/02 11:31	ruboline	ILI
18/12/11 15:47	Jacobus	LSI
18/07/01 10:22	Teenage fantasy	LSI
18/06/29 05:40	fg	LII
18/05/17 11:35	Khel	LSI
18/05/17 11:00	EON	LSI

date	username	vote
20/10/11 01:02	Flower-like	LFEV
20/07/16 14:42	Thyssen	LVEF
20/02/18 18:36	pollo	LEFV
19/10/16 22:31	Jacobus	LVEF

date	username	vote
20/09/24 09:36	Flower-like	HEXACO