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Søren Kierkegaard

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Søren Kierkegaard ~ Sakinorva Databank

Søren Kierkegaard

Philosopher

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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/10/21 (Wed) 16:31:08 #8506
	Oh yeah and there's a big difference between the lives of Kierkegaard and Nietzsche (for example). Nietzsche, despite his hero-worshiping and valuing of strength, was a weak man who was easily shaken by perceived slights. Kierkegaard sought to make himself the gadfly of Copenhagen: the lone man willing to broach difficult questions and directly confront the status quo, in his case being the Church of Denmark. His long war of polemics with various enemies should be enough to show that he was willing to become a target of others and sacrifice his social life.

Editing post #8506 by Jacobus Oh yeah and there's a big difference between the lives of Kierkegaard and Nietzsche (for example). Nietzsche, despite his hero-worshiping and valuing of strength, was a weak man who was easily shaken by perceived slights. Kierkegaard sought to make himself the gadfly of Copenhagen: the lone man willing to broach difficult questions and directly confront the status quo, in his case being the Church of Denmark. His long war of polemics with various enemies should be enough to show that he was willing to become a target of others and sacrifice his social life.
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/10/21 (Wed) 16:19:17 #8505
	There's bits of my argument on Kierkegaard being VELF on the Schopenhauer page. I'll concede that Afanasyev was not always accurate in his typings, but I can tell he put thought into them and made sure to read into the lives of the people he was typing. I imagine the primary reason for seeing Kierkegaard as a 3V is because themes of anxiety and uncertainty were so prominent in his writings, but think about how Kierkegaard actually treats them. Instead of viewing anxiety or angst as a wholly negative experience to be avoided, he views it as something necessary for salvation. For him, it's the feeling of complete freedom of choice. What Kierkegaard views as the function that brings on anxiety is important too: spirit, which is a synthesis of the mental and physical (and which Afanasyev equates to will). Looking back, I find it ironic that tman wrote that a 1V person is someone who stands their ground and takes control of their own life, because this is basically what the knight of faith is: when presented with an absurd moral task, the knight of faith accepts it without hesitation and carries it out to both the letter and the spirit; because he believes that, by grace of the absurd, what he lost in the act would be returned to him in the end. If that's not a depiction of 1V3L in action, I don't know what is.

Editing post #8505 by Jacobus There's bits of my argument on Kierkegaard being VELF on the Schopenhauer page. I'll concede that Afanasyev was not always accurate in his typings, but I can tell he put thought into them and made sure to read into the lives of the people he was typing. I imagine the primary reason for seeing Kierkegaard as a 3V is because themes of anxiety and uncertainty were so prominent in his writings, but think about how Kierkegaard actually treats them. Instead of viewing anxiety or angst as a wholly negative experience to be avoided, he views it as something necessary for salvation. For him, it's the feeling of complete freedom of choice. What Kierkegaard views as the function that brings on anxiety is important too: spirit, which is a synthesis of the mental and physical (and which Afanasyev equates to will).<br>Looking back, I find it ironic that tman wrote that a 1V person is someone who stands their ground and takes control of their own life, because this is basically what the knight of faith is: when presented with an absurd moral task, the knight of faith accepts it without hesitation and carries it out to both the letter and the spirit; because he believes that, by grace of the absurd, what he lost in the act would be returned to him in the end. If that's not a depiction of 1V3L in action, I don't know what is.
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Flower-like INFP 4 2020/10/21 (Wed) 06:06:24 #8503
I completely understand the ELVF votes, but isn't Jacobus (as always with psycosophy) right that he was a VELF? He was primarily concerned with being an outsider and an individual (1V), that had sympathy for other outsiders (2E), was famously skeptical of the crowd (3L), and last F is what is left. And on that Russian website the profile for Akhmatova begins with "If you try to pass a sentence for life internal state "Akhmatova", it is best to confine ourselves to quote from a poem by Alexander Blok, where he talks about his father inherent "heavy flame of sorrow" .Indeed, it is - "Akhmatova's" sorrow - from the 4th Physics , flame - from the 2nd Emotion, the heaviness of the flame - from the 1st Will." Which is similar to Kierkegaard's many "“Since my earliest childhood a barb of sorrow has lodged in my heart. As long as it stays I am ironic — if it is pulled out I shall die.”, "“My melancholy is the most faithful mistress I have known; what wonder, then, that I love her in return.”" quotes.

Editing post #8503 by Flower-like I completely understand the ELVF votes, but isn't Jacobus (as always with psycosophy) right that he was a VELF? He was primarily concerned with being an outsider and an individual (1V), that had sympathy for other outsiders (2E), was famously skeptical of the crowd (3L), and last F is what is left.<br><br>And on that Russian website the profile for Akhmatova begins with "If you try to pass a sentence for life internal state "Akhmatova", it is best to confine ourselves to quote from a poem by Alexander Blok, where he talks about his father inherent "heavy flame of sorrow" .Indeed, it is - "Akhmatova's" sorrow - from the 4th Physics , flame - from the 2nd Emotion, the heaviness of the flame - from the 1st Will." Which is similar to Kierkegaard's many "“Since my earliest childhood a barb of sorrow has lodged in my heart. As long as it stays I am ironic — if it is pulled out I shall die.”, "“My melancholy is the most faithful mistress I have known; what wonder, then, that I love her in return.”" quotes.
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date	username	vote
25/07/16 11:20	Woll Smoth	INFP
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	INFP
20/02/03 23:49	bibliology	INFP
19/01/23 10:48	Flower-like	INFP
18/12/27 21:51	Jacobus	INFP
19/01/30 02:02	tman	INFP
18/12/02 17:39	twinpinks	INFP
18/11/10 10:08	tch	INFP
20/07/07 08:46	Diobono	INFP
18/05/28 06:03	EON	INFP
18/05/27 04:00	LVNA	INFJ

date	username	vote
25/07/08 22:46	Woll Smoth	INFP
25/07/03 05:32	nicotineseries	INFP
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	INFP
20/03/20 15:09	Flower-like	INFP
19/10/15 20:32	Jacobus	INFP
19/01/27 21:34	tch	INFP
18/12/03 18:58	tman	INFP
18/05/28 07:24	fg	INFP

date	username	vote
25/07/08 22:46	Woll Smoth	4w5
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	4w5
20/06/06 13:51	Flower-like	4wb
20/02/03 23:49	bibliology	4w5
19/10/15 20:32	Jacobus	4w5
18/12/03 18:58	tman	4w5
18/05/28 07:24	fg	4w5
18/05/27 04:00	LVNA	4w5

date	username	vote
21/03/24 13:10	Flower-like	sp/sx
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	sp/so
20/05/12 19:40	bibliology	sp/so
19/10/15 20:32	Jacobus	sp/so
19/01/16 14:54	tman	sp/so
18/05/28 07:24	fg	sp/so
18/05/28 06:03	EON	sp/so
18/05/27 04:00	LVNA	sp/so

date	username	vote
25/07/08 22:44	Woll Smoth	461
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	461
20/10/22 03:11	Flower-like	416
19/01/12 07:04	tman	461

date	username	vote
22/03/13 23:17	Woll Smoth	IEI
21/01/09 15:31	Helvetica	IEI
20/07/07 08:46	Diobono	IEI
20/09/14 15:50	Flower-like	IEI
19/05/07 19:38	Avalonia	IEI
19/02/02 11:52	ruboline	IEI
19/02/27 16:55	tman	IEI
19/01/03 23:42	AuÅ¡ra AugustinaviÄiÅ«tÄ—	LSE
20/10/21 11:59	Jacobus	IEI
18/06/21 11:19	fg	IEI
18/05/28 06:03	EON	EII
18/05/27 04:00	LVNA	EII

date	username	vote
20/07/14 14:21	Flower-like	VELF
19/10/16 11:52	Tman	ELVF
19/10/15 20:31	Jacobus	VELF