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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/07/20 (Fri) 03:51:10 #2265
	"Not familiar with the user so I won't make any judgement but wouldn't IEI in socionics be most likely INFJ? I know socionics and MBTI are 2 different concepts but socionics is basically an advanced version of MBTI if that makes sense? Ni and Fe described in Socionics is basically an advanced version of MBTIs version of the two? I know a user below mentioned that the functions in both may have different descriptions but I think its because socionics is actually describing the actual type itself not the functions? In my personal opinion the 2 have a direct link. Hopefully one day I get the concepts right :/ . " the socionics give different definitions to functions so there is no J/P switch. the russian encyclopedia tell us that descriptions of types tend to invalide this myth. the main problem is that a lot of person don't work before open their mouth and assume things that are false because they don't do any researsch, so you have site full of morons like Personnality Cafe or reddit that say stupidity with confidence . if you watch who is typed as x type on socionics by some socionists in http://zanoza.socioland.ru and compare with MBTI idr labs famous people you will see that there is not such thing as J/P switch . two socionists (Gulenko and Lyotov said): " What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI. Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things). For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful." http://www.socioniko.net/en/1.1.types/model-a.html Heathcliff if you don't relate to socionics Si you are not SEI, IEI was my alternative for you. i adapt my vote to what you say and vote IEI. but you have to know that test are a very weak meant to be sure of your type . you have to watch the descriptions on wiki socionics or the russian socionics encyclopedia descriptions.

Editing post #2265 by fg <p>"Not familiar with the user so I won't make any judgement but wouldn't IEI in socionics be most likely INFJ? I know socionics and MBTI are 2 different concepts but socionics is basically an advanced version of MBTI if that makes sense? Ni and Fe described in Socionics is basically an advanced version of MBTIs version of the two? </p> <p>I know a user below mentioned that the functions in both may have different descriptions but I think its because socionics is actually describing the actual type itself not the functions? In my personal opinion the 2 have a direct link. Hopefully one day I get the concepts right :/ . " the socionics give different definitions to functions so there is no J/P switch. the russian encyclopedia tell us that descriptions of types tend to invalide this myth. the main problem is that a lot of person don't work before open their mouth and assume things that are false because they don't do any researsch, so you have site full of morons like Personnality Cafe or reddit that say stupidity with confidence . if you watch who is typed as x type on socionics by some socionists in http://zanoza.socioland.ru and compare with MBTI idr labs famous people you will see that there is not such thing as J/P switch . two socionists (Gulenko and Lyotov said): "</p> <p>What do these signs mean—<strong><img alt="" src="http://www.socioniko.net/func/I.gif" style="height:15px; width:15px" /></strong>, <strong><img alt="" src="http://www.socioniko.net/func/T.gif" style="height:15px; width:15px" /></strong>, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, <strong><img alt="" src="http://www.socioniko.net/func/I.gif" style="height:15px; width:15px" /></strong> (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.</p> <p>Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function <strong><img alt="" src="http://www.socioniko.net/func/F.gif" style="height:15px; width:15px" /></strong> (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).</p> <p><strong>For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful." </strong>http://www.socioniko.net/en/1.1.types/model-a.html</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>Heathcliff if you don't relate to socionics Si you are not SEI, IEI was my alternative for you. i adapt my vote to what you say and vote IEI. but you have to know that test are a very weak meant to be sure of your type . you have to watch the descriptions on wiki socionics or the russian socionics encyclopedia descriptions.</p>
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	heathcliff infp 497 sx/sp iei 2018/07/20 (Fri) 00:57:32 #2264
	I took sociotype test now and I received IEI, but in the last two times I've received EII. I also received IEI on another test they linked on discord, and in socionics the result was "unclear" so I needed to choice between "You may often feel the need but find it rather difficult to maintain a steady balance between your physical and spiritual self." and "You may often feel the need but find it rather difficult to maintain a steady balance between your intellectual and emotional self.". I related with both asf but chose the second one and the result was INFp

Editing post #2264 by heathcliff <p>I took sociotype test now and I received IEI, but in the last two times I've received EII. I also received IEI on another test they linked on discord, and in socionics the result was "unclear" so I needed to choice between "<em>You may often feel the need but find it rather difficult to maintain a steady balance between your physical and spiritual self.</em>" and "<em>You may often feel the need but find it rather difficult to maintain a steady balance between your intellectual and emotional self.</em>". I related with both asf but chose the second one and the result was INFp</p>
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	heathcliff infp 497 sx/sp iei 2018/07/19 (Thu) 23:38:48 #2261
	I kinda indentified myself with the description of Fe in xEI, but definitely not much with Si and Ni, mainly Si. The impression I had is that socio Si is someone who gives a lot of focus to the harmony and beauty of the senses, and that care about maintaining the well-being of these sensations, taking care of the needs of the body and the body of others. I don't really identify with this; aesthetics is definitely one of my biggest faults (almost nothing in me is aesthetically pleasing: my handwriting, my clothes, my surroundings, etc.), and I'm certainly more concerned with my emotional state than my physical state, which sometimes even contradict each other. For example, I wouldn't mind physically hurt myself if it meant emotional relief. By observing people, too, I'm much more likely to pay attention to their state of mind, what they are thinking and emotionally feeling than to notice their physical sensations. I'm not moved to maintain a physical beauty in my stuffs - like my bedroom, my clothes, my notebooks, etc. because "aesthetic disharmony" is in fact not something that disturbs my well-being of mind and isn't something I need to feel satisfied. And my way of expressing myself is primarily focused on words and gestures of demonstrations and affections rather than visually, such as paintings, vestments, photographs, the decoration of my environments and my things, and so on. I really feel too disheartened with the five senses to be able to pay close attention to these things. And as for socio Ni, I need to read more carefully to be able to say something, but from what I could understand it seems to speak of someone who has such a certain management and mastery of his own intuition, that is a little far from my case, but I haven't read it with concentration yet.

Editing post #2261 by heathcliff <p>I kinda indentified myself with the description of Fe in xEI, but definitely not much with Si and Ni, mainly Si. The impression I had is that socio Si is someone who gives a lot of focus to the harmony and beauty of the senses, and that care about maintaining the well-being of these sensations, taking care of the needs of the body and the body of others. I don't really identify with this; aesthetics is definitely one of my biggest faults (almost nothing in me is aesthetically pleasing: my handwriting, my clothes, my surroundings, etc.), and I'm certainly more concerned with my emotional state than my physical state, which sometimes even contradict each other. For example, I wouldn't mind physically hurt myself if it meant emotional relief. By observing people, too, I'm much more likely to pay attention to their state of mind, what they are thinking and emotionally feeling than to notice their physical sensations. I'm not moved to maintain a physical beauty in my stuffs - like my bedroom, my clothes, my notebooks, etc. because "aesthetic disharmony" is in fact not something that disturbs my well-being of mind and isn't something I need to feel satisfied. And my way of expressing myself is primarily focused on words and gestures of demonstrations and affections rather than visually, such as paintings, vestments, photographs, the decoration of my environments and my things, and so on. I really feel too disheartened with the five senses to be able to pay close attention to these things.<br /> And as for socio Ni, I need to read more carefully to be able to say something, but from what I could understand it seems to speak of someone who has such a certain management and mastery of his own intuition, that is a little far from my case, but I haven't read it with concentration yet.</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/07/17 (Tue) 17:01:12 #2176
	i also recommand you to watch on her own site (with google traduction if you don't know russian) http://socionika-forever.blogspot.com/2007/09/blog-post.html if not you will miss some of her joke and some(who were not traduced in wiki socionics),some important informations and some examples of the people who share one type

Editing post #2176 by fg <p>i also recommand you to watch on her own site (with google traduction if you don't know russian) http://socionika-forever.blogspot.com/2007/09/blog-post.html if not you will miss some of her joke and some(who were not traduced in wiki socionics),some important informations and some examples of the people who share one type </p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/07/17 (Tue) 16:02:38 #2175
	your focus on easthetic and harmony seem very socionics Si, your desire to exprime your artistic side is socio Fe (you value also authenticity> social correctness socio Fe>socio Fi). SEI is the most common enneagramm type for 4w3s . Alexandre Dumas INFP 4w3 is the representative of SEI . don't trust personnality cafe J/P switch is bullshit(because socionics give different definitions to functions even if they have the same name). the russian socionics encyclopedia said that if we watch descriptions we can see there is no such thing as J/P switch. so EII =/= INFP and SEI =/= ISFJ. that's why dostoviesky typed INFJ by IDR labs is INFj in socionics. (btw being INTp in socionics don't obligatory make you INTP or INTJ in mbti ==> Kafka is ILI and INFP by cognitive functions) btw this message is not only for you but for all newbie socionics typist. watch SEI descriptions by Stratiyevsaka if it don't fit to you watch others descriptions (she is the most complete and detailed socionists) http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=SEI_by_Stratiyevskaya

Editing post #2175 by fg <p>your focus on easthetic and harmony seem very socionics Si, your desire to exprime your artistic side is socio Fe (you value also authenticity> social correctness socio Fe>socio Fi). SEI is the most common enneagramm type for 4w3s . Alexandre Dumas INFP 4w3 is the representative of SEI . don't trust personnality cafe J/P switch is bullshit(because socionics give different definitions to functions even if they have the same name). the russian socionics encyclopedia said that if we watch descriptions we can see there is no such thing as J/P switch. so EII =/= INFP and SEI =/= ISFJ. that's why dostoviesky typed INFJ by IDR labs is INFj in socionics. (btw being INTp in socionics don't obligatory make you INTP or INTJ in mbti ==> Kafka is ILI and INFP by cognitive functions)</p> <p>btw this message is not only for you but for all newbie socionics typist.</p> <p> </p> <p>watch SEI descriptions by Stratiyevsaka if it don't fit to you watch others descriptions (she is the most complete and detailed socionists) http://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=SEI_by_Stratiyevskaya</p>
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date	username	vote
19/05/31 04:07	jt	INTP
18/07/17 04:53	Teru Mikami	INFP
18/08/11 05:38	fg	INFP

date	username	vote
19/05/31 04:07	jt	INTP
18/07/17 04:53	Teru Mikami	INFP
18/07/17 03:16	fg	INFP

date	username	vote
19/05/31 04:07	jt	5w4
18/07/17 04:53	Teru Mikami	4w3
18/07/17 03:16	fg	4w3

date	username	vote
18/07/17 04:53	Teru Mikami	sx/sp

date	username	vote
18/09/13 09:32	switchblades	497

date	username	vote
18/07/19 08:23	switchblades	IEI
18/07/18 08:34	kawaii	IEI
18/07/20 03:52	fg	IEI