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Teru Mikami 2018/12/16 (Sun) 17:28:36 #4292
same thing still goes here on paper, "religious" here just means you're baptised and went through a couple church ceremonies in school which everyone does anyway and is pretty misleading statistics-wise, I doubt close to 4/5 of the US population (especially <20 years old) is anything close to religious but then again I can't prove that

Editing post #4292 by Teru Mikami <p>same thing still goes here on paper, "religious" here just means you're baptised and went through a couple church ceremonies in school which everyone does anyway and is pretty misleading statistics-wise, I doubt close to 4/5 of the US population (especially <20 years old) is anything close to religious but then again I can't prove that</p>
Replying to post #4292 by Teru Mikami

	~snow~ 2018/12/16 (Sun) 14:22:26 #4289
	It's not even just the small rural US though. It's pretty much everywhere except the cities. Sure hardcore fundamentalism is more of a rural Southern thing, but it's pretty much just assumed, no matter where you live, that you're Christian and at the very least believe in God. The statistics back this up, although also showing that irreligiosity is gradually becoming more prominent. I'm happy for you that you happen to live in a country where religion is dead, but the US is a large part of the modern world too and it's just different there.

Editing post #4289 by *~snow~* <p>It's not even just the small rural US though. It's pretty much everywhere except the cities. Sure hardcore fundamentalism is more of a rural Southern thing, but it's pretty much just assumed, no matter where you live, that you're Christian and at the very least believe in God. The statistics back this up, although also showing that irreligiosity is gradually becoming more prominent.</p> <p>I'm happy for you that you happen to live in a country where religion is dead, but the US is a large part of the modern world too and it's just different there.</p>
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	~snow~ 2018/12/15 (Sat) 22:51:53 #4282
	Religious ideas themselves are very N, sure. But this is an adjective that is meant to describe people, isn't it? That's what I assumed, since the other word entries are clearly meant to be adjectives describing people. If we're typing irreligion as a concept, then I think it would be best described as ISTP. But if we're using irreligious to describe people, then I still think INTP fits better because of the context surrounding modern religions.

Editing post #4282 by *~snow~* <p>Religious ideas themselves are very N, sure. But this is an adjective that is meant to describe people, isn't it? That's what I assumed, since the other word entries are clearly meant to be adjectives describing people. If we're typing irreligion as a concept, then I think it would be best described as ISTP. But if we're using irreligious to describe people, then I still think INTP fits better because of the context surrounding modern religions.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/12/15 (Sat) 20:42:58 #4280
Religion is spirituality with a really vague and obscure handbook that's still interpreted differently by almost everyone to this day, there's 7 billion people who all have their own ties to it but you're not typing all irreligious people, just the concept of irreligion, and spirituality with the promise of an eternal utopian twist completely disconnected from anything you can prove will never not be N, you literally can't find anything more detached and conceptual while the motivations for not supporting it pretty much always come down to "...but you can't prove it"

Editing post #4280 by Teru Mikami <p>Religion is spirituality with a really vague and obscure handbook that's still interpreted differently by almost everyone to this day, there's 7 billion people who all have their own ties to it but you're not typing all irreligious people, just the concept of irreligion, and spirituality with the promise of an eternal utopian twist completely disconnected from anything you can prove will never not be N, you literally can't find anything more detached and conceptual while the motivations for not supporting it pretty much always come down to "...but you can't prove it"</p>
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	~snow~ 2018/12/15 (Sat) 17:59:47 #4279
	If we're talking world population, then most people are statistically raised by religious parents. "Only an estimated 10% of the world’s newborns between 2010 and 2015 were born to religiously unaffiliated mothers" (pew research statistics). But I understand that it differs according to culture, that's why I said -- "at least in countries like the U.S." -- where around 77% of people claim to be religious and we get constant crap like this. In Europe obviously it's much different (and I low-key envy this >.<). Another thought: as far as agnosticism goes... wouldn't they also fall under "irreligious"? They're not actively participating in a religion so wouldn't that make them "disinterested" regardless of their openness to possibile gods/spiritual concepts? And most atheists are agnostic atheists too (meaning they don't believe in any gods but also don't claim 100% certainty that there are no gods). "it's a lack of curiosity or denial because of a lack of proof, not N" Those are just more assumptions. Honestly, there are any number of reasons why someone might be irreligious. I guess if those were the reasons, then it would be more S. But why do you think "lack of curiosity" or "denial because of a lack of proof" are any more valid reasons for opposing/not finding interest in religion than "using critical thinking" or "disliking religious dogma and tradition"? I guess maybe either S or N could be justified depending on your understanding of this word and its implications.

Editing post #4279 by *~snow~* <p>If we're talking world population, then most people are statistically raised by religious parents. "Only an estimated 10% of the world’s newborns between 2010 and 2015 were born to religiously unaffiliated mothers" (<a href="http://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/05/the-changing-global-religious-landscape/">pew research statistics</a>).<br /> <br /> But I understand that it differs according to culture, that's why I said -- "at least in countries like the U.S." -- where around 77% of people claim to be religious and we get <a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/414450-fbi-investigating-washington-state-rep-for-manifesto-urging-all-males">constant</a> <a href="https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/32898-trump-repeats-big-lie-on-johnson-amendment-at-pandering-dinner-party">crap</a> like <a href="https://www-washingtonpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/religion/2018/10/19/trump-administration-set-expand-religious-exemptions-birth-control-coverage/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Freligion%2F2018%2F10%2F19%2Ftrump-administration-set-expand-religious-exemptions-birth-control-coverage%2F">this</a>. In Europe obviously it's much different (and I low-key envy this >.<).<br /> <br /> Another thought: as far as agnosticism goes... wouldn't they also fall under "irreligious"? They're not actively participating in a religion so wouldn't that make them "disinterested" regardless of their openness to possibile gods/spiritual concepts? And most atheists are agnostic atheists too (meaning they don't believe in any gods but also don't claim 100% certainty that there are no gods).<br /> <br /> "it's a lack of curiosity or denial because of a lack of proof, not N"<br /> <br /> Those are just more assumptions. Honestly, there are any number of reasons why someone might be irreligious. I guess if those were the reasons, then it would be more S. But why do you think "lack of curiosity" or "denial because of a lack of proof" are any more valid reasons for opposing/not finding interest in religion than "using critical thinking" or "disliking religious dogma and tradition"?<br /> <br /> I guess maybe either S or N could be justified depending on your understanding of this word and its implications.</p>
Replying to post #4279 by *~snow~*

Teru Mikami 2018/12/15 (Sat) 15:58:04 #4274
أنا طعن لك اغتصاب أمك زوجتك ابنتك واكا واكا صوت الطيور جعلها عندما كانت تتغذى على عمودك الفقري والسياسيين لن يسمح لك حتى يشتكي هههههههه فتى فقير سوف يحرق في اسم الله وظيفة القذرة كافر أنت الماعز أنا حاد الأسنان الكومودو التنين وليمة رأسك

Editing post #4274 by Teru Mikami <p>أنا طعن لك اغتصاب أمك زوجتك ابنتك واكا واكا صوت الطيور جعلها عندما كانت تتغذى على عمودك الفقري والسياسيين لن يسمح لك حتى يشتكي هههههههه فتى فقير سوف يحرق في اسم الله وظيفة القذرة كافر أنت الماعز أنا حاد الأسنان الكومودو التنين وليمة رأسك</p>
Replying to post #4274 by Teru Mikami

	Phantom 2018/12/15 (Sat) 15:37:15 #4273
	Teru Mikami, you are very sensitive about this topic, why so? do people bully you because of your religion? If it is the case then I am sorry. I think we just speak from a different perspective. I live where most of people are religious and some are very judgemental and self-righteous. Don't take everything personally.

Editing post #4273 by Phantom <p>Teru Mikami, you are very sensitive about this topic, why so? do people bully you because of your religion? If it is the case then I am sorry. I think we just speak from a different perspective. I live where most of people are religious and some are very judgemental and self-righteous. Don't take everything personally.</p>
Replying to post #4273 by Phantom

	Phantom 2018/12/15 (Sat) 13:49:42 #4263
	Teru Mikami, being religous doesn't mean that you are open to the the possibility of something larger, it means that you have a set beliefs that are specific to a religion and you live acording to those beliefs, among the intuitives INFJs and ENFJs probably are more religous because of Fe and they like spiritual activities. Most of religous people are not particularly open minded.

Editing post #4263 by Phantom <p>Teru Mikami, being religous doesn't mean that you are open to the the possibility of something larger, it means that you have a set beliefs that are specific to a religion and you live acording to those beliefs, among the intuitives INFJs and ENFJs probably are more religous because of Fe and they like spiritual activities. Most of religous people are not particularly open minded.</p>
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	~snow~ 2018/12/15 (Sat) 10:43:22 #4257
	"siding with the facts and what's already there over thinking of what could be is just more S than N" In a world where this is the sole context to religion, I would agree with you. But instead, in our world, we see the opposite. To people who were raised in a religion, which is most people, "what's already there" IS the religion. That IS their reality. I agree that someone who is so closed-minded that they claim with 100% certainty that there isn't something out there would be more S. But that's just not how I would define "irreligious". Mostly because hardly anyone actually holds that position. Also because none of the definitions I found say anything about having 100% certainty that nothing is out there. I'm pretty much going by the Cambridge dictionary definition: "having no interest in religion, or generally opposed to religion". That implies nothing about agnosticism vs gnosticism.

Editing post #4257 by *~snow~* <p>"siding with the facts and what's already there over thinking of what could be is just more S than N"<br /> <br /> In a world where this is the sole context to religion, I would agree with you. But instead, in our world, we see the opposite. To people who were raised in a religion, which is most people, "what's already there" IS the religion. That IS their reality.<br /> <br /> I agree that someone who is so closed-minded that they claim with 100% certainty that there isn't something out there would be more S. But that's just not how I would define "irreligious". Mostly because hardly anyone actually holds that position. Also because none of the definitions I found say anything about having 100% certainty that nothing is out there. I'm pretty much going by the Cambridge dictionary definition: "having no interest in religion, or generally opposed to religion". That implies nothing about agnosticism vs gnosticism.</p>
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	~snow~ 2018/12/15 (Sat) 08:02:18 #4254
	I took "irreligious" to mean a disbelief in any religions, not necessarily hardcore atheism/antitheism. Many nonreligious people seem to be intuitive because it takes a lot of deep and critical thinking to escape religious indocrination and societal reinforcement, at least in countries like the U.S. where certain religions are the norm. Plus, most religions today, aside from the new-agey stuff, are very traditional and conservative -- things most intuitives don't find very attractive.

Editing post #4254 by *~snow~* <p>I took "irreligious" to mean a disbelief in any religions, not necessarily hardcore atheism/antitheism. Many nonreligious people seem to be intuitive because it takes a lot of deep and critical thinking to escape religious indocrination and societal reinforcement, at least in countries like the U.S. where certain religions are the norm. Plus, most religions today, aside from the new-agey stuff, are very traditional and conservative -- things most intuitives don't find very attractive.</p>
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date	username	vote
18/12/17 00:26	LadyX	INTP
18/12/15 12:27	tch	IxTP
18/12/15 06:40	kawaii	ISTP
18/12/15 06:07	Teru Mikami	ESTP
18/12/15 22:34	~snow~	IxTP
18/12/15 17:48	Taco110	INTP

date	username	vote
18/12/15 17:50	Taco110	ISTP
18/12/15 11:40	Teru Mikami	ISTP
18/12/15 10:21	Phantom	INTP

date	username	vote
18/12/17 00:28	LadyX	cp5w6
18/12/15 10:22	Phantom	5w6
18/12/15 08:38	Ryugan	5w4
18/12/15 06:07	Teru Mikami	7w8
18/12/15 03:49	Taco110	5w6

date	username	vote
18/12/17 00:28	LadyX	sx/sp
18/12/15 03:49	Taco110	sp/sx

date	username	vote
18/12/17 00:27	LadyX	594

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