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INTJs

Most common enneagram type

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INTJs ~ Sakinorva Databank

INTJs


Most common enneagram type

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INTJ 5
5w6 10
1w9 7
sp/so 4
sp/sx 2
LII 5
LSI 1
SLE 1
LVFE 3
VLEF 1
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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2019/10/31 (Thu) 15:18:51

#7336

i think we can't agree because of a matter of choice, you choose to refer to the combination of letter for your correlation and i am reffering to archetype definition. by strategy i meant utilitarian and power-related strategy which is the kind of strategy related to the INTJ personna . "Masterminds have an unusually strong will; they are tenacious, determined, and resolute. At times, because of their drive, and intensity of focus, they can often become single-minded, and can be hard driving with others. They have a competitive force that comes from within, and a fierce iron will, which drives them toward excellence and superiority in every undertaking. They are high achievers, and push themselves harder than anybody else. Masterminds work best when the stakes are high, with people who are highly competent. " that is Se base related, "Masterminds are not concerned with ideas, for their own sake, but rather are interested in ideas for their use and utility in reality. " that is not LII (those definition came from Kerseys). You use to convince me typing based on your interpretation (i agree with some and don't agree with others) but that is not the point, i choose deliberatly to use officialness, because if i don't this would have been even more biased than it's already is .

 

"About the historical argument, THE FAMOUS PEOPLE WERE SLE BECAUSE SLE CARES MUCH MORE ABOUT FAME THAN LII, a lot of historical figures are SLE because they are remarkable leaders" your argument don't work since history tend to remember thinker (more commong among LII) far more in term of proportion than millitary figure (more common among SLE). look at idr labs typing and you will see that there is more thinker than military figure

"Nietzsche is EIE but I see him as kind of an exception to the rule, in real life that seems extremely unlikely and most of those online who identify as that are personas or just edgy as fuck stupid people, ones not mentioned I am unsure/I don't know the person, then there are even EII in the list (Roger Waters)." i could not disagree more Nietzsche is one of the most emblematic INTJ if not the most, seeing him as an exception (not for his double-type) rather than a potential model (most INTJ share with him something imo). i agree that most internet idiots who identify with him are not woth it because they have a wrong perception of themselves.

also LII are Ixxj, after all their are not that anti-conformist, Descartes was extremly cautious with the religion, Kant despite being quite rebellious with religion made a system quite conformist historically speaking despite everything etc...

 

INTJ rarely are the most rigourous thinker like INTP or L first (Sartre, Nietzsche, Marx and Hegel tend to be despised by anglo-saxon logicians) but rather polemist and creative in  their thinking like L second are. V first is the best guess if we refer to ARCHETYPE. i choosed to refering to archetype that's why i defend this position.

 

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2019/10/31 (Thu) 08:38:08

#7334

INTJ unlike INTP who can have obvious corellation with LII and ILI are harder to have an equivalent in socionics. LII would be the more obvious but IDR labs and Kersey's definition of INTJs as well as MBTI's put far more emphasis on it's strategic ability and strong willed attitude rather than a typical "NT/scientific" personna like LII or INTP . And historically speaking LII is not that common among INTJ if we make correlation between "official INTJ" ==> idr labs and 16P and typing made by professional socionists there is more SLE (Lenin, Marx,Russel Crowe), LSI (Luther, Nietzsche according to Stratievskaya, putin INTJ in 16p and voted massively LSI) EIE (Nietzsche according to most socionics and anders breivik) and ILE(Tesla,Keynes, Musk, Marx according to most socionist, Hitchens) than LII among emblematic INTJ. LII is problematic on both empirical and definitional level . LII rarely fit too "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" (IDR labs). the bluntness and anti-conformist temper of kersey and idr labs INTJs is more XLE than LXI. i voted SLE over ILE because the strategic emphasis of INTJ type fit more to SLE than ILE, but ILE would have been my second guess.

on a psyche yoga level, L first is also not that common on INTJ (even Newton is according to the "syntax of love" a V first (i am not sure if it is right about newton btw)). INTJ is if we look at 16p , kersey or idr labs definition not a seeker of truth for the sake of it like INTP or L first. "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" is not a L first characteristic either, it's a V first characteristic. same for Kersey's "planning", "self-confident", "willfull" attribution to the INTJ/mastermind personnality.  F last fit with idr labs "Repress their Extroverted Sensing function, which means they may lose touch with factual realities and fail to adapt their opinions accordingly" . obvious 2nd L rather than 2nd E . So VLEF is the best psyche yoga option.

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edza

ENTJ

8w7

SLE

2018/12/24 (Mon) 06:10:47

#4357

INTP (strong P) - 5w4
INTx (borderline cases) - 5w6
INTJ (strong J) - 1w9

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edza

ENTJ

8w7

SLE

2018/12/24 (Mon) 06:00:20

#4356

3 Fix makes more sense than 4 to me, at least in the Riso-Hudson interpretation. And lol at 4 wing.

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dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:09Creative Mind INTJ
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti INTJ
19/07/15 02:59tman INTJ
19/02/28 01:23LadyX INTJ
18/12/24 05:01kawaii ISTJ
18/12/23 12:47Taco110 INTJ
dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:09Creative Mind INTJ
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti INTJ
19/07/15 02:59tman INTJ
18/12/23 12:48Taco110 INTJ
dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:16Creative Mind 5w6
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti 5w6
20/05/13 13:57bibliology 5w6
20/03/13 03:29Lol 1w9
20/02/27 11:57Thyssen 1w9
19/07/15 03:17tman 5w6
19/03/13 15:31bioomer 5w6
19/03/11 17:15tch 5w6
18/12/26 06:38Diobono 5w6
18/12/24 23:57LadyX 1w9
19/11/01 13:09fg 1w9
18/12/24 06:15edza 1w9
18/12/24 06:01Teru Mikami 1w9
18/12/24 05:15kawaii 5w6
18/12/24 19:39Taco110 5w6
dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:09Creative Mind sp/so
20/02/27 11:57Thyssen sp/so
19/11/13 11:15Tman sp/sx
18/12/24 06:03Teru Mikami sp/so
18/12/23 12:45Taco110 sp/sx
dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:09Creative Mind 513
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti 513
20/02/27 12:26Tman 513
19/08/06 10:53fg 514
19/08/06 03:23Thyssen 514
18/12/24 23:58LadyX 135
18/12/24 05:57edza 351
18/12/23 12:47Taco110 514
dateusernamevote
20/05/21 10:09Creative Mind LSI
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti LII
19/11/27 18:25Thyssen LII
19/10/31 08:01fg SLE
19/07/15 03:16tman LII
18/12/23 12:49Taco110 LII
18/12/23 11:06switchblades LII
dateusernamevote
20/05/17 07:28kashifirfanbhatti LVFE
19/11/27 18:25Thyssen LVFE
19/10/31 08:01fg VLEF
19/10/16 17:25Tman LVFE