INTJs ~ Sakinorva Databank

The Sakinorva Databank

INTJs

Most common enneagram type

in Most Likelies

INTJs ~ Sakinorva Databank

INTJs

Most common enneagram type

Most Likelies

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INTJ 5

5w6 11

1w9 7

sp/so 4

sp/sx 2

LII 6

SLE 1

LSI 1

LVFE 3

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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/10/31 (Thu) 15:18:51 #7336
	i think we can't agree because of a matter of choice, you choose to refer to the combination of letter for your correlation and i am reffering to archetype definition. by strategy i meant utilitarian and power-related strategy which is the kind of strategy related to the INTJ personna . "Masterminds have an unusually strong will; they are tenacious, determined, and resolute. At times, because of their drive, and intensity of focus, they can often become single-minded, and can be hard driving with others. They have a competitive force that comes from within, and a fierce iron will, which drives them toward excellence and superiority in every undertaking. They are high achievers, and push themselves harder than anybody else. Masterminds work best when the stakes are high, with people who are highly competent. " that is Se base related, "Masterminds are not concerned with ideas, for their own sake, but rather are interested in ideas for their use and utility in reality. " that is not LII (those definition came from Kerseys). You use to convince me typing based on your interpretation (i agree with some and don't agree with others) but that is not the point, i choose deliberatly to use officialness, because if i don't this would have been even more biased than it's already is . "About the historical argument, THE FAMOUS PEOPLE WERE SLE BECAUSE SLE CARES MUCH MORE ABOUT FAME THAN LII, a lot of historical figures are SLE because they are remarkable leaders" your argument don't work since history tend to remember thinker (more commong among LII) far more in term of proportion than millitary figure (more common among SLE). look at idr labs typing and you will see that there is more thinker than military figure "Nietzsche is EIE but I see him as kind of an exception to the rule, in real life that seems extremely unlikely and most of those online who identify as that are personas or just edgy as fuck stupid people, ones not mentioned I am unsure/I don't know the person, then there are even EII in the list (Roger Waters)." i could not disagree more Nietzsche is one of the most emblematic INTJ if not the most, seeing him as an exception (not for his double-type) rather than a potential model (most INTJ share with him something imo). i agree that most internet idiots who identify with him are not woth it because they have a wrong perception of themselves. also LII are Ixxj, after all their are not that anti-conformist, Descartes was extremly cautious with the religion, Kant despite being quite rebellious with religion made a system quite conformist historically speaking despite everything etc... INTJ rarely are the most rigourous thinker like INTP or L first (Sartre, Nietzsche, Marx and Hegel tend to be despised by anglo-saxon logicians) but rather polemist and creative in their thinking like L second are. V first is the best guess if we refer to ARCHETYPE. i choosed to refering to archetype that's why i defend this position.

Editing post #7336 by fg <p>i think we can't agree because of a matter of choice, you choose to refer to the combination of letter for your correlation and i am reffering to archetype definition. by strategy i meant utilitarian and power-related strategy which is the kind of strategy related to the INTJ personna . "Masterminds have an unusually strong will; they are tenacious, determined, and resolute. At times, because of their drive, and intensity of focus, they can often become single-minded, and can be hard driving with others. They have a competitive force that comes from within, and a fierce iron will, which drives them toward excellence and superiority in every undertaking. They are high achievers, and push themselves harder than anybody else. Masterminds work best when the stakes are high, with people who are highly competent. " that is Se base related, "Masterminds are not concerned with ideas, for their own sake, but rather are interested in ideas for their use and utility in reality. " that is not LII (those definition came from Kerseys). You use to convince me typing based on your interpretation (i agree with some and don't agree with others) but that is not the point, i choose deliberatly to use officialness, because if i don't this would have been even more biased than it's already is .</p> <p> </p> <p>"About the historical argument, THE FAMOUS PEOPLE WERE SLE BECAUSE SLE CARES MUCH MORE ABOUT FAME THAN LII, a lot of historical figures are SLE because they are remarkable leaders" your argument don't work since history tend to remember thinker (more commong among LII) far more in term of proportion than millitary figure (more common among SLE). look at idr labs typing and you will see that there is more thinker than military figure</p> <p>"Nietzsche is EIE but I see him as kind of an exception to the rule, in real life that seems extremely unlikely and most of those online who identify as that are personas or just edgy as fuck stupid people, ones not mentioned I am unsure/I don't know the person, then there are even EII in the list (Roger Waters)." i could not disagree more Nietzsche is one of the most emblematic INTJ if not the most, seeing him as an exception (not for his double-type) rather than a potential model (most INTJ share with him something imo). i agree that most internet idiots who identify with him are not woth it because they have a wrong perception of themselves.</p> <p>also LII are Ixxj, after all their are not that anti-conformist, Descartes was extremly cautious with the religion, Kant despite being quite rebellious with religion made a system quite conformist historically speaking despite everything etc...</p> <p> </p> <p>INTJ rarely are the most rigourous thinker like INTP or L first (Sartre, Nietzsche, Marx and Hegel tend to be despised by anglo-saxon logicians) but rather polemist and creative in their thinking like L second are. V first is the best guess if we refer to ARCHETYPE. i choosed to refering to archetype that's why i defend this position.</p> <p> </p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/10/31 (Thu) 08:38:08 #7334
	INTJ unlike INTP who can have obvious corellation with LII and ILI are harder to have an equivalent in socionics. LII would be the more obvious but IDR labs and Kersey's definition of INTJs as well as MBTI's put far more emphasis on it's strategic ability and strong willed attitude rather than a typical "NT/scientific" personna like LII or INTP . And historically speaking LII is not that common among INTJ if we make correlation between "official INTJ" ==> idr labs and 16P and typing made by professional socionists there is more SLE (Lenin, Marx,Russel Crowe), LSI (Luther, Nietzsche according to Stratievskaya, putin INTJ in 16p and voted massively LSI) EIE (Nietzsche according to most socionics and anders breivik) and ILE(Tesla,Keynes, Musk, Marx according to most socionist, Hitchens) than LII among emblematic INTJ. LII is problematic on both empirical and definitional level . LII rarely fit too "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" (IDR labs). the bluntness and anti-conformist temper of kersey and idr labs INTJs is more XLE than LXI. i voted SLE over ILE because the strategic emphasis of INTJ type fit more to SLE than ILE, but ILE would have been my second guess. on a psyche yoga level, L first is also not that common on INTJ (even Newton is according to the "syntax of love" a V first (i am not sure if it is right about newton btw)). INTJ is if we look at 16p , kersey or idr labs definition not a seeker of truth for the sake of it like INTP or L first. "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" is not a L first characteristic either, it's a V first characteristic. same for Kersey's "planning", "self-confident", "willfull" attribution to the INTJ/mastermind personnality. F last fit with idr labs "Repress their Extroverted Sensing function, which means they may lose touch with factual realities and fail to adapt their opinions accordingly" . obvious 2nd L rather than 2nd E . So VLEF is the best psyche yoga option.

Editing post #7334 by fg <p>INTJ unlike INTP who can have obvious corellation with LII and ILI are harder to have an equivalent in socionics. LII would be the more obvious but IDR labs and Kersey's definition of INTJs as well as MBTI's put far more emphasis on it's strategic ability and strong willed attitude rather than a typical "NT/scientific" personna like LII or INTP . And historically speaking LII is not that common among INTJ if we make correlation between "official INTJ" ==> idr labs and 16P and typing made by professional socionists there is more SLE (Lenin, Marx,Russel Crowe), LSI (Luther, Nietzsche according to Stratievskaya, putin INTJ in 16p and voted massively LSI) EIE (Nietzsche according to most socionics and anders breivik) and ILE(Tesla,Keynes, Musk, Marx according to most socionist, Hitchens) than LII among emblematic INTJ. LII is problematic on both empirical and definitional level . LII rarely fit too "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" (IDR labs). the bluntness and anti-conformist temper of kersey and idr labs INTJs is more XLE than LXI. i voted SLE over ILE because the strategic emphasis of INTJ type fit more to SLE than ILE, but ILE would have been my second guess.</p> <p>on a psyche yoga level, L first is also not that common on INTJ (even Newton is according to the "syntax of love" a V first (i am not sure if it is right about newton btw)). INTJ is if we look at 16p , kersey or idr labs definition not a seeker of truth for the sake of it like INTP or L first. "Tenacious visionaries, oriented towards action" is not a L first characteristic either, it's a V first characteristic. same for Kersey's "planning", "self-confident", "willfull" attribution to the INTJ/mastermind personnality. F last fit with idr labs "Repress their Extroverted Sensing function, which means they may lose touch with factual realities and fail to adapt their opinions accordingly" . obvious 2nd L rather than 2nd E . So VLEF is the best psyche yoga option.</p>
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date	username	vote
25/08/22 00:22	nicotineseries	INT
20/05/21 10:09	Creative Mind	INTJ
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	INTJ
19/07/15 02:59	tman	INTJ
19/02/28 01:23	LadyX	INTJ
18/12/24 05:01	kawaii	ISTJ
18/12/23 12:47	Taco110	INTJ

date	username	vote
20/05/21 10:09	Creative Mind	INTJ
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	INTJ
19/07/15 02:59	tman	INTJ
18/12/23 12:48	Taco110	INTJ

date	username	vote
25/07/04 05:13	nicotineseries	5w6
20/05/21 10:16	Creative Mind	5w6
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	5w6
20/05/13 13:57	bibliology	5w6
20/03/13 03:29	Lol	1w9
20/02/27 11:57	Thyssen	1w9
19/07/15 03:17	tman	5w6
19/03/13 15:31	bioomer	5w6
19/03/11 17:15	tch	5w6
18/12/26 06:38	Diobono	5w6
18/12/24 23:57	LadyX	1w9
19/11/01 13:09	fg	1w9
18/12/24 06:15	edza	1w9
18/12/24 06:01	Teru Mikami	1w9
18/12/24 05:15	kawaii	5w6
18/12/24 19:39	Taco110	5w6

date	username	vote
20/05/21 10:09	Creative Mind	sp/so
20/02/27 11:57	Thyssen	sp/so
19/11/13 11:15	Tman	sp/sx
18/12/24 06:03	Teru Mikami	sp/so
18/12/23 12:45	Taco110	sp/sx

date	username	vote
20/05/21 10:09	Creative Mind	513
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	513
20/02/27 12:26	Tman	513
19/08/06 10:53	fg	514
19/08/06 03:23	Thyssen	514
18/12/24 23:58	LadyX	135
18/12/24 05:57	edza	351
18/12/23 12:47	Taco110	514

date	username	vote
25/08/22 00:21	nicotineseries	LII
20/05/21 10:09	Creative Mind	LSI
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	LII
19/11/27 18:25	Thyssen	LII
19/10/31 08:01	fg	SLE
19/07/15 03:16	tman	LII
18/12/23 12:49	Taco110	LII
18/12/23 11:06	switchblades	LII

date	username	vote
20/05/17 07:28	kashifirfanbhatti	LVFE
19/11/27 18:25	Thyssen	LVFE
19/10/31 08:01	fg	VLEF
19/10/16 17:25	Tman	LVFE