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Middle Ages ~ Sakinorva Databank

Middle Ages

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Miscellaneous Culture and Society

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ISFJ 1

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6w7 1

sp/so 3

ESI 1

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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2020/07/26 (Sun) 17:04:37 #8409
	In response to post #8407. Also I don't mean to imply that most people in the middle ages accepted everything they were told, far from it. They accepted some of it, but they were probably more skeptical then we give them credit for. For example, I've heard that in the written ballads of Robin Hood, even though the chief outlaw in question was a devout follower of the Virgin Mary, he still place Bishops in the "okay to rob" category along with lords.

Editing post #8409 by Tman Also I don't mean to imply that most people in the middle ages accepted everything they were told, far from it. They accepted some of it, but they were probably more skeptical then we give them credit for. For example, I've heard that in the written ballads of Robin Hood, even though the chief outlaw in question was a devout follower of the Virgin Mary, he still place Bishops in the "okay to rob" category along with lords.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2020/07/26 (Sun) 16:52:40 #8408
	In response to post #8407. I'll admit that there has of course, been a good deal of nonsense talked about "the Dark Ages." It's barbarism has been exaggerated. However, it remains true of the Middle Ages what is true of every age, that the rich and powerful attempted to shape and utilize popular belief towards there own ends. A great example of this is the First Crusade. What began as a call for backup from Byzantine eventaly shaped into a power grab and an invitation. I don't see how superstition about fairies is any different then superstition about throwing salt over your shoulder. There both folk legends, derived from ignorance and tradition. The abstract creativity of these legends might canote N, except you yourself said they didn't make up the legends themselves, they were left over from the past, and were not the creation of the middle ages. I don't mean to imply that all S types are uncreative, or that all N types are creative, but I do feel more comfortable stereotyping an era then a person.

Editing post #8408 by Tman I'll admit that there has of course, been a good deal of nonsense talked about "the Dark Ages." It's barbarism has been exaggerated. However, it remains true of the Middle Ages what is true of every age, that the rich and powerful attempted to shape and utilize popular belief towards there own ends. A great example of this is the First Crusade. What began as a call for backup from Byzantine eventaly shaped into a power grab and an invitation. <br><br>I don't see how superstition about fairies is any different then superstition about throwing salt over your shoulder. There both folk legends, derived from ignorance and tradition. The abstract creativity of these legends might canote N, except you yourself said they didn't make up the legends themselves, they were left over from the past, and were not the creation of the middle ages. I don't mean to imply that all S types are uncreative, or that all N types are creative, but I do feel more comfortable stereotyping an era then a person.
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/07/26 (Sun) 16:17:59 #8407
	In response to post #8406. You only proved my presumption that your vote was based on the old myth propagated by Renaissance and Enlightenment writers that the Middle Ages were a particularly ignorant and backwards time in Western history. Medieval Europe wasn't like Game of Thrones, the ideals were sincere. In truth, it was a Silver Age to our present Iron Age The superstitions I mentioned were the belief in fairies and other folk creatures which were occasionally blamed for diseases and crop failures. They weren't universal, of course, and the Papacy made attempts to quash them, so they were hardly part of the dominant culture of the time.

Editing post #8407 by Jacobus You only proved my presumption that your vote was based on the old myth propagated by Renaissance and Enlightenment writers that the Middle Ages were a particularly ignorant and backwards time in Western history. Medieval Europe wasn't like Game of Thrones, the ideals were sincere. In truth, it was a Silver Age to our present Iron Age<br>The superstitions I mentioned were the belief in fairies and other folk creatures which were occasionally blamed for diseases and crop failures. They weren't universal, of course, and the Papacy made attempts to quash them, so they were hardly part of the dominant culture of the time.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2020/07/26 (Sun) 12:48:44 #8406
	In response to post #7783. Okay, so I know this is an old post, but I still want to respond to it. First off, "Christian unearthliness" was a scam for all but a small minority. Most people were either poor peasants trying to get by, and those in power just used Christianity in order to gain more earthly power. Second off, superstitions are generally a product of undeveloped Intuition. In MBTI, Intuition is about trying to see the big picture of how things work. Superstition of the folk variety perpetuates through ignorante acceptance of whatever the domainite culture says is true.

Editing post #8406 by Tman Okay, so I know this is an old post, but I still want to respond to it. First off, "Christian unearthliness" was a scam for all but a small minority. Most people were either poor peasants trying to get by, and those in power just used Christianity in order to gain more earthly power. Second off, superstitions are generally a product of undeveloped Intuition. In MBTI, Intuition is about trying to see the big picture of how things work. Superstition of the folk variety perpetuates through ignorante acceptance of whatever the domainite culture says is true.
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2020/03/15 (Sun) 18:24:24 #7783
	The collective values of Early Medieval Europe vs Late Medieval Europe were obviously different in that that timespan encompasses nearly a millennium. I don't really see why S would be valued over N, given how privileged Christian unearthliness was during this time and how many superstitions and legends remained from pagan times. The peasantry was earthy and the aristocracy occasionally voluptuous, but one could say the same for pretty much any period of human civilization.

Editing post #7783 by Jacobus <p>The collective values of Early Medieval Europe vs Late Medieval Europe were obviously different in that that timespan encompasses nearly a millennium. I don't really see why S would be valued over N, given how privileged Christian unearthliness was during this time and how many superstitions and legends remained from pagan times. The peasantry was earthy and the aristocracy occasionally voluptuous, but one could say the same for pretty much any period of human civilization.</p>
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date	username	vote
20/03/16 02:08	Thyssen	ENFJ
20/03/15 18:16	Jacobus	ENFJ
20/03/15 01:47	LadyX	ISFJ
20/07/26 12:49	Tman	ESFJ

date	username	vote
20/03/14 22:03	Tman	ISFJ

date	username	vote
20/07/29 11:48	bibliology	6w5
20/03/15 01:47	LadyX	6w5
20/03/15 13:08	Tman	6w7

date	username	vote
20/07/29 11:48	bibliology	sp/so
20/03/15 01:47	LadyX	sp/so
20/03/14 22:01	Tman	sp/so

date	username	vote
20/07/26 17:07	Tman	612
20/03/15 01:47	LadyX	613

date	username	vote
20/03/14 22:01	Tman	ESI

date	username	vote
20/03/14 22:02	Tman	VEFL