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Max Stirner

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Max Stirner

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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/07/04 (Thu) 15:07:38 #6560
	saying that someone reasoning is magical without explaining how he fails to understand something is stupid. the accusation of me being "magical" have not a single fundation. I am probably the one who made the most researsch on socionics so if you want to criticize my method you will have to be more specific or shut your mouth on the future, Diobono.

Editing post #6560 by fg <p>saying that someone reasoning is magical without explaining how he fails to understand something is stupid. the accusation of me being "magical" have not a single fundation. I am probably the one who made the most researsch on socionics so if you want to criticize my method you will have to be more specific or shut your mouth on the future, Diobono.</p>
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DIobono int 5w4 ili 2019/07/03 (Wed) 20:32:00 #6546
THe shit people write don't have a direct correlation with the way they live. this dude didn't even get a picture taken of him in his entire life and his only biography was written 50 yrs later after he died and only wrote one book and he was generally not very assertive. ' I basically typed him based on the quadra values and i see no alpha values and he just seems to deny 'socio ti' principles, but i can see how he could be seen as 'libertarian right' in a poltical compass which sort of is nu age alpha quadra people

Editing post #6546 by DIobono <p>THe shit people write don't have a direct correlation with the way they live. this dude didn't even get a picture taken of him in his entire life and his only biography was written 50 yrs later after he died and only wrote one book and he was generally not very assertive. '</p> <p>I basically typed him based on the quadra values and i see no alpha values and he just seems to deny 'socio ti' principles, but i can see how he could be seen as 'libertarian right' in a poltical compass which sort of is nu age alpha quadra people</p>
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Teru Mikami 2019/07/03 (Wed) 19:59:43 #6545
Stirner: "all that matters is personal will, ownership is declared only through might, abolish any and all commonly accepted & established ideas regarding rights of property and others, individuals should serve only themselves (if "other people" make you happy that also counts btw, phsc isn't wrong)" ILI Gulenko: "When in good physical shape, he is confident in himself, assertive, calls for decisive actions, however, it rarely comes to implementation. He needs to be prodded from outside, requires strong support. Absence of such support leads to demobilization and laziness. Direct aggression is detestable to him; he opposes it in every way. He cannot endure protracted confrontation – simply leaves or even falls ill. For his physical well-being engages in athletic types of sports – tries to build stamina and overcome his natural weakness, toughens himself. But to engage in this regularly he usually does not have enough willpower." "Does his work is accord with the established methods, slowly and scrupulously, going into all the specifications. Can be rigorous with details and meticulous to the point of pedantry. Professional activity and diligence are characteristic of him only within a formal system, where there is structure and regulation" "Cautious when making decisions. His position is that you need to run a little ahead of the game. Always chooses the safest course of action." ILI Stratiyevskaya: "The INTp respects strong, willful people, who know their goals and who do not cower before difficulties but rather act confidently, actively creating their path ahead. INTp's dual the ESFp (SEE) possesses precisely such qualities. The INTp does not attempt to take the lead himself, preferring to remain a figure "number two" – a "shadow" leader and adviser who supports a powerful patron." "Although making demands is precisely what is difficult for the INTp. He is a kind of person for whom it is difficult "to pull his will into his fist". The ILI doesn't know how to and doesn't like to subordinate someone else to his will. Neither will he suffer direct pressure applied to himself." "A typical state of the INTp is one of constant semi-relaxation. He prefers not to make excessive efforts and tries to expend his physical energy very economically. He won't invest more effort and strengths in anything over what is dictated by objective necessities, not even into the most captivating work. The ILI is not the type of person who will thoroughly apply himself, "wholly put himself out", solely on basis of enthusiasm. The ILI always seeks respect for his own labor and a worthy payment." ILI Reinin: "form, action, movement; suggestible function. “Do something with me”. The ILI easily puts on that state that people around want of him/her. Sometimes he/she simply dissolves in that image or state, and with a frequent change of states comes the effect of losing themselves. People of this type can hardly resist persuasion: when some activity is imposed on them, when they are pressed to do something, they are almost defenseless. It happens that Balzac 'unexpectedly' finds him/herself involved in a strange activity. People of this type often need an external push in order to do something. And, on the other hand, they are unable to resist this pressure. If a person of the opposite sex comes to a Balzac and says: “I am moving in, I will live with you”. – “Well, OK”. An ILI has even lower 'resistability' than an IEI. The latter at least pays attention to the aesthetics of the situation; the former does not manage to do even that. Perhaps, recognizing this trait in themselves, women of this type often produce an impression of being cold, aloof, difficult, and unapproachable. In this way they unconsciously create a maximum of personal distance." ILI makes sense

Editing post #6545 by Teru Mikami <p>Stirner: "all that matters is personal will, ownership is declared only through might, abolish any and all commonly accepted & established ideas regarding rights of property and others, individuals should serve only themselves (if "other people" make you happy that also counts btw, phsc isn't wrong)"</p> <p> </p> <p>ILI Gulenko:</p> <p><em>"When in good physical shape, he is confident in himself, assertive, calls for decisive actions, however, it rarely comes to implementation. He needs to be prodded from outside, requires strong support. Absence of such support leads to demobilization and laziness. Direct aggression is detestable to him; he opposes it in every way. He cannot endure protracted confrontation – simply leaves or even falls ill. For his physical well-being engages in athletic types of sports – tries to build stamina and overcome his natural weakness, toughens himself. But to engage in this regularly he usually does not have enough willpower."</em></p> <p><em>"Does his work is accord with the established methods, slowly and scrupulously, going into all the specifications. Can be rigorous with details and meticulous to the point of pedantry. Professional activity and diligence are characteristic of him only within a formal system, where there is structure and regulation"</em></p> <p><em>"Cautious when making decisions. His position is that you need to run a little ahead of the game. Always chooses the safest course of action."</em></p> <p> </p> <p>ILI Stratiyevskaya: </p> <p><em>"The INTp respects strong, willful people, who know their goals and who do not cower before difficulties but rather act confidently, actively creating their path ahead. INTp's dual the ESFp (SEE) possesses precisely such qualities.</em></p> <p><em>The INTp does not attempt to take the lead himself, preferring to remain a figure "number two" – a "shadow" leader and adviser who supports a powerful patron."</em></p> <p><em>"Although making demands is precisely what is difficult for the INTp. He is a kind of person for whom it is difficult "to pull his will into his fist". The ILI doesn't know how to and doesn't like to subordinate someone else to his will. Neither will he suffer direct pressure applied to himself."</em></p> <p><em>"A typical state of the INTp is one of constant semi-relaxation. He prefers not to make excessive efforts and tries to expend his physical energy very economically. He won't invest more effort and strengths in anything over what is dictated by objective necessities, not even into the most captivating work. The ILI is not the type of person who will thoroughly apply himself, "wholly put himself out", solely on basis of enthusiasm. The ILI always seeks respect for his own labor and a worthy payment."</em></p> <p> </p> <p>ILI Reinin:</p> <p><em>"form, action, movement; suggestible function. “Do something with me”. The ILI easily puts on that state that people around want of him/her. Sometimes he/she simply dissolves in that image or state, and with a frequent change of states comes the effect of losing themselves.<br /> People of this type can hardly resist persuasion: when some activity is imposed on them, when they are pressed to do something, they are almost defenseless. It happens that Balzac 'unexpectedly' finds him/herself involved in a strange activity.<br /> People of this type often need an external push in order to do something. And, on the other hand, they are unable to resist this pressure. If a person of the opposite sex comes to a Balzac and says: “I am moving in, I will live with you”. – “Well, OK”.<br /> An ILI has even lower 'resistability' than an IEI. The latter at least pays attention to the aesthetics of the situation; the former does not manage to do even that. Perhaps, recognizing this trait in themselves, women of this type often produce an impression of being cold, aloof, difficult, and unapproachable. In this way they unconsciously create a maximum of personal distance."</em></p> <p> </p> <p>ILI makes sense</p>
Replying to post #6545 by Teru Mikami

	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/07/03 (Wed) 17:57:25 #6543
	you are so stupidly individualistic that you totally misunderstood what is individualism. the belief that the seeking of individual interest is the better way to achieve common happiness is what is the liberal individualist belief. wanting fairness for everyone is not equal to collectivism. collectivism/ individualism is antagonistic method to achieve it. anarchism is rare for LII because of white logic that is focus on organization/planification. but i would agree that black intuition increase the possibility of being anarchist. i did't tried to type von mise yet because i finded him totally disconnected from any kind of truth or reality and not interesting at all.

Editing post #6543 by fg <p>you are so stupidly individualistic that you totally misunderstood what is individualism. the belief that the seeking of individual interest is the better way to achieve common happiness is what is the liberal <strong>individualist belief</strong>. wanting fairness for everyone is not equal to collectivism. collectivism/ individualism is antagonistic method to achieve it. anarchism is rare for LII because of white logic that is focus on organization/planification. but i would agree that black intuition increase the possibility of being anarchist. i did't tried to type von mise yet because i finded him totally disconnected from any kind of truth or reality and not interesting at all.</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/07/03 (Wed) 03:38:36 #6540
	all NT tend to be opposite to coercition, the intertype relationship argument is quite the weak point of socionics (in real life you can easily get along with polar opposite, intertype relationship work mainly in fiction but not in real life) so typing him as not ILI based on a relationship is not the best idea imo. ILI being extremly individualist is not a stereotype, it's like saying duck belong to the species of birds. it's an essential but not suffisent propriety of it. LII have an individualist part of course but most of time are balanced on collectivism/individualism. Even Kant who belong to the enlightment let an importance place towards the state. the most individualist LII i know is Hayek, but even him did not want to destroy state but only minimize it's influence.

Editing post #6540 by fg <p>all NT tend to be opposite to coercition, the intertype relationship argument is quite the weak point of socionics (in real life you can easily get along with polar opposite, intertype relationship work mainly in fiction but not in real life) so typing him as not ILI based on a relationship is not the best idea imo. ILI being extremly individualist is not a stereotype, it's like saying duck belong to the species of birds. it's an essential but not suffisent propriety of it. LII have an individualist part of course but most of time are balanced on collectivism/individualism. Even Kant who belong to the enlightment let an importance place towards the state. the most individualist LII i know is Hayek, but even him did not want to destroy state but only minimize it's influence.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2019/07/02 (Tue) 20:34:00 #6538
I didn't say "being moral", I said rejecting moral values & in general the rejection of basic principles everyone accepts dubbing them as "distractions" or "social constructs" is the kind of selfish pseudo-autism u could expect from SLE and ILE. I also said I don't know much about him personally and still need to read more. Nice strawman, incult.

Editing post #6538 by Teru Mikami <p>I didn't say "being moral", I said rejecting moral values & in general the rejection of basic principles everyone accepts dubbing them as "distractions" or "social constructs" is the kind of selfish pseudo-autism u could expect from SLE and ILE. I also said I don't know much about him personally and still need to read more. Nice strawman, incult.</p>
Replying to post #6538 by Teru Mikami

date	username	vote
23/01/28 11:43	GIJOEBusta Cap	INTP
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	INTP
22/04/04 11:22	Tman	INTP
19/06/02 13:36	Teru Mikami	INTP
19/05/29 12:15	ItsyBitsyTeddyBear	INTP
18/11/23 10:10	tch	INTP
18/05/20 05:33	diobono	INTP

date	username	vote
23/01/28 11:43	GIJOEBusta Cap	INTP
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	INTP
20/03/02 10:38	Tman	INTP
18/11/30 23:42	tch	INTP

date	username	vote
23/01/28 11:43	GIJOEBusta Cap	5w4
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	5w4
19/10/25 19:54	Tman	5w4
19/06/02 13:36	Teru Mikami	5w4
19/05/29 12:15	ItsyBitsyTeddyBear	5w4
18/11/23 10:11	tch	5w4
18/05/20 05:33	diobono	5w4

date	username	vote
23/01/28 11:43	GIJOEBusta Cap	sp/sx
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	sp/sx
19/11/02 01:41	Tman	sp/sx
19/06/02 13:36	Teru Mikami	sp/sx
18/12/11 21:42	tch	sp/sx

date	username	vote
21/11/24 16:05	Tman	594
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	549
18/12/11 21:43	tch	54x

date	username	vote
21/01/09 15:30	Helvetica	ILI
19/11/27 13:06	fleetingpetals	ILE
19/10/25 19:15	Tman	ILI
19/07/02 14:45	Diobono	ILI
19/07/01 05:27	fg	ILI
19/06/02 13:36	Teru Mikami	ILE
18/12/11 21:40	tch	ILI

date	username	vote
21/11/24 16:07	Tman	FLVE
20/06/12 18:12	Diobono	LFVE
20/02/23 13:21	tch	LEVF

date	username	vote
20/03/03 02:12	tch	HEXACO