Adolf Hitler ~ Sakinorva Databank

Adolf Hitler

German Politics

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INFJ 12

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ENFJ 1

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INTP 1

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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/18 (Thu) 17:40:38 #8707
	In response to post #8701. I agree that we can't empirically measure the personality type of dead people, but claiming that we can't "reduce human behavior to a formula?" I mean yes and no. There are some pretty well established scientific principles in Psychology (mostly dealing with behavior), but that doesn't mean every part of every persons personality can be reduced to a theory, because that would be stupid and no one is even trying to do that.

Editing post #8707 by Tman I agree that we can't empirically measure the personality type of dead people, but claiming that we can't "reduce human behavior to a formula?" I mean yes and no. There are some pretty well established scientific principles in Psychology (mostly dealing with behavior), but that doesn't mean every part of every persons personality can be reduced to a theory, because that would be stupid and no one is even trying to do that.
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2021/03/18 (Thu) 01:19:30 #8701
	In response to post #8698. Things that are inherently non-empirical, such as the personality type of a long-dead famous person, do not require data or statistics because they cannot be "proven" in the typical sense. It's pointless to attach oneself to any method in these cases because doing so is besides the point, and attempting to reduce such grand and indefinable things as human behavior to a formula is a kind of stupidity.

Editing post #8701 by Jacobus Things that are inherently non-empirical, such as the personality type of a long-dead famous person, do not require data or statistics because they cannot be "proven" in the typical sense. It's pointless to attach oneself to any method in these cases because doing so is besides the point, and attempting to reduce such grand and indefinable things as human behavior to a formula is a kind of stupidity.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 23:30:45 #8697
	In response to post #8695. It seems like a philosophical system that wouldn't allow us to determine that there weren't invisible hypos in every room would be impractical at best. Just to be clear, I'm claiming that MBTI has not been empirically proven. If someone wanted to argue against that point, the burden of proof would be on them. At this point though, it really seems like we actually mostly agree; you seem to more view MBTI as a helpful subjective guide rather then an objective scientific fact, and are more frustrated with inconstancy with definitions.

Editing post #8697 by Tman It seems like a philosophical system that wouldn't allow us to determine that there weren't invisible hypos in every room would be impractical at best. <br>Just to be clear, I'm claiming that MBTI has not been empirically proven. If someone wanted to argue against that point, the burden of proof would be on them. <br> At this point though, it really seems like we actually mostly agree; you seem to more view MBTI as a helpful subjective guide rather then an objective scientific fact, and are more frustrated with inconstancy with definitions.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 22:11:31 #8693
	In response to post #8691. So then how do we deterimin weather or not MBTI accurately describes the world? Is there a way we can evaluate abstract concepts? My criticism of your writing is more that your thoughts aren't clearly organized. If there's to much information, it all just starts to look like background noise, and it's difficult to tell what are the important bits. Also, all data and scientific studies are faulty appeals to authority, because "it could be faked?" So we can't scientifically provide evidence for anything? The burden of proof isn't on me to find evince against MBTI, because you can't prove a negative. Russel's Teapot and all that.

Editing post #8693 by Tman So then how do we deterimin weather or not MBTI accurately describes the world? Is there a way we can evaluate abstract concepts? <br>My criticism of your writing is more that your thoughts aren't clearly organized. If there's to much information, it all just starts to look like background noise, and it's difficult to tell what are the important bits.<br>Also, all data and scientific studies are faulty appeals to authority, because "it could be faked?" So we can't scientifically provide evidence for anything? <br>The burden of proof isn't on me to find evince against MBTI, because you can't prove a negative. Russel's Teapot and all that.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 21:23:17 #8689
	In response to post #8688. To be perfectly blunt, I can't understand you a lot of the times because your a bad writer. You tend to write things out in these long, stream of conciseness style screeds, where it feels like your trying to cram down every single thought that comes into your head onto the text box as quickly as possible. I know it's rich coming from Captain Spelling Errors over here, but it's the truth. Second off, not all appeals to authority are fallacious; it only becomes so when the authority is irreverent. My point was that Psychologists tend to reject MBTI because of a lack of empirical evidence; I wasn't saying they were right just because they were Psychologists. I agree you can prove something without Empirical evidence, but in that case, by what standard of Evidence could we possibly say MBTI was true? Are we going to prove it from Cartesien first principles? The Astrology thing was mostly hyperbole.

Editing post #8689 by Tman To be perfectly blunt, I can't understand you a lot of the times because your a bad writer. You tend to write things out in these long, stream of conciseness style screeds, where it feels like your trying to cram down every single thought that comes into your head onto the text box as quickly as possible. I know it's rich coming from Captain Spelling Errors over here, but it's the truth.<br><br>Second off, not all appeals to authority are fallacious; it only becomes so when the authority is irreverent. My point was that Psychologists tend to reject MBTI because of a lack of empirical evidence; I wasn't saying they were right just because they were Psychologists.<br><br>I agree you can prove something without Empirical evidence, but in that case, by what standard of Evidence could we possibly say MBTI was true? Are we going to prove it from Cartesien first principles? <br><br>The Astrology thing was mostly hyperbole.
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/05/30 (Thu) 08:20:00 #6193
	he was not J at all . he was very lazy, spend most of his time of ruling at watching movies, was very impredictible, a lot of the third reich's doing are his comment in private interpreted by his high ranked follower in a more "professional way", he did not even plan to make a jude extermination at first, at the start he planned to deport them but he saw that was too much complicated so he choosed to eliminate them .

Editing post #6193 by fg <p>he was not J at all . he was very lazy, spend most of his time of ruling at watching movies, was very impredictible, a lot of the third reich's doing are his comment in private interpreted by his high ranked follower in a more "professional way", he did not even plan to make a jude extermination at first, at the start he planned to deport them but he saw that was too much complicated so he choosed to eliminate them .</p>
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	EON INFP 2018/05/15 (Tue) 10:06:51 #537
	One could argue every politician who ever won president "understood his people", but that doesn't make them all F. Hitler was a case of the right man at the wrong time, he didn't manipulated an entire nation's minds and turned them all into racists and war-mongers; anti-semitism was already there. Hitler was a great speaker, not someone who read people's minds. He attacked Russia because he was a megalomaniac.

Editing post #537 by EON <p>One could argue every politician who ever won president "understood his people", but that doesn't make them all F.</p> <p>Hitler was a case of the right man at the wrong time, he didn't manipulated an entire nation's minds and turned them all into racists and war-mongers; anti-semitism was already there.</p> <p>Hitler was a great speaker, not someone who read people's minds. </p> <p>He attacked Russia because he was a megalomaniac.</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/05/15 (Tue) 08:26:20 #533
	i did not said that he was dumb but his intelligence was based on understanding of germany people's feeling and he use it, instead of rational intelligence(like strategy or problem solving). being ruthless does not mean being a T. Hitler's project was not based on his nation's interest why he would attack Russia if it was his objective(and if it is he is was not enough methodic to do it)

Editing post #533 by fg <p>i did not said that he was dumb but his intelligence was based on understanding of germany people's feeling and he use it, instead of rational intelligence(like strategy or problem solving). being ruthless does not mean being a T. Hitler's project was not based on his nation's interest why he would attack Russia if it was his objective(and if it is he is was not enough methodic to do it)</p>
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	EON INFP 2018/05/15 (Tue) 06:31:59 #531
	T types are perfectly capable of being dumb, so him being a poor strategist doesn't prove anything. He relied on inspiration/insight more than logic or human considerations, which would make him perception focused. He took the most ruthless methods to achieve his goals: to ensure the survival of his nation by eliminating its percieved enemies and gaining territories. Not sure how is this F at all. Ruthless focus on goals above basic empathy is T. The problem is F had ended up meaning "irrational" or "charismatic", thus Hitler as F. The day Hitler would be seen as T is the day the MBTI community will manage to think straight again.

Editing post #531 by EON <p>T types are perfectly capable of being dumb, so him being a poor strategist doesn't prove anything.</p> <p>He relied on inspiration/insight more than logic or human considerations, which would make him perception focused.</p> <p>He took the most ruthless methods to achieve his goals: to ensure the survival of his nation by eliminating its percieved enemies and gaining territories. Not sure how is this F at all. Ruthless focus on goals above basic empathy is T. The problem is F had ended up meaning "irrational" or "charismatic", thus Hitler as F.</p> <p>The day Hitler would be seen as T is the day the MBTI community will manage to think straight again.</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/05/15 (Tue) 04:44:10 #530
	i don't see how this man could be seen as a T (Te or Ti), beyond the "ah he is a bastard he must be a T". this guy his motivated by his feeling and lacked of logic (so not a Ti dom or aux) and was a poor strategist (weakTe). ISFP is more probable for him than INFP, his focus on Nazi aesthetics and his impulsive nature is more Se than Ne.

Editing post #530 by fg <p>i don't see how this man could be seen as a T (Te or Ti), beyond the "ah he is a bastard he must be a T". this guy his motivated by his feeling and lacked of logic (so not a Ti dom or aux) and was a poor strategist (weakTe). ISFP is more probable for him than INFP, his focus on Nazi aesthetics and his impulsive nature is more Se than Ne.</p>
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date	username	vote
22/08/26 10:10	GIJOEBusta Cap	INFJ
22/03/01 23:32	Woll Smoth	INFP
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	ENTJ
21/08/18 12:37	Lawless	INFJ
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	ENFJ
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	INTJ
21/03/17 16:00	Jacobus	INFP
21/03/16 22:42	Tman	NFJ
20/07/27 04:08	Flower-like	NFJ
20/06/27 07:10	fleetingpetals1	INT
20/05/04 20:11	ftp	ESFP
19/05/31 03:54	jt	INTP
19/03/17 04:39	fsninetwo	INFJ
19/03/08 23:15	thormns	INTJ
18/12/06 18:42	twinpinks	INFJ
18/11/13 22:26	tch	INFJ
18/10/13 23:31	switchblades	IxTP
18/10/13 18:35	Thunraz475	F
21/03/16 23:09	LadyX	INTJ
18/09/15 09:52	alesarto	INTJ
18/09/15 06:36	Teru Mikami	INTx
18/06/22 09:12	Sleeper	ISFJ
19/05/30 08:13	fg	ENFP
18/05/12 04:43	Nyx	INFP
18/05/15 07:39	edza	ISTP
18/05/06 09:38	Mineshield	INFJ
18/05/05 04:44	strawberry crisis	ISTP
19/06/03 15:15	Taco110	INTP

date	username	vote
22/08/26 10:10	GIJOEBusta Cap	INFJ
22/03/01 23:32	Woll Smoth	INFJ
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	INFJ
21/05/16 19:14	Tman	INFJ
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	ENFJ
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	ISFP
21/03/17 16:00	Jacobus	INFJ
19/05/31 03:54	jt	INTP
21/05/13 22:23	Lol	ISFP
19/03/17 04:39	fsninetwo	INFJ
18/12/06 18:22	tch	INFJ
18/12/03 18:58	Taco110	INFJ
18/05/13 02:47	SigmaEnigma	INFJ
18/05/12 04:22	fg	ISFP

date	username	vote
22/08/26 10:10	GIJOEBusta Cap	6w5
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	6w5
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	6w5
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	6w5
21/03/16 22:42	Tman	6w5
20/05/15 07:39	Phantom	6w5
19/05/31 03:53	jt	6w5
19/05/30 19:25	Lol	6w5
19/03/17 04:39	fsninetwo	6w5
19/01/05 16:01	Eva Braun	6w5
18/11/13 22:28	tch	6w5
18/10/22 17:28	ForestSketcher	6w5
18/09/27 00:51	LadyX	6w5
18/09/15 06:36	Teru Mikami	6w5
18/05/15 10:08	EON	6w5
18/05/06 09:39	Mineshield	6w5
18/05/05 03:38	Taco110	6w5

date	username	vote
22/08/26 10:10	GIJOEBusta Cap	so/sx
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	sx/so
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	so/sx
21/03/16 22:42	Tman	so/sx
19/03/17 04:40	fsninetwo	sx/so
18/12/03 19:03	Taco110	sx/sp
18/11/13 22:27	tch	so/sx
18/09/27 00:52	LadyX	sp/so
18/09/15 06:36	Teru Mikami	so/sp
18/06/22 05:19	kawaii	sx/so
18/05/12 04:22	fg	sx/so

date	username	vote
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	684
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	684
21/03/16 23:09	LadyX	648
21/03/16 22:49	Tman	648
20/05/15 07:40	Phantom	648
19/06/08 17:04	ResoluteSoul	614
19/03/17 04:40	fsninetwo	61x
18/12/03 19:05	Taco110	614
18/09/15 07:32	kawaii	614

date	username	vote
22/08/26 10:10	GIJOEBusta Cap	EIE
22/01/29 01:57	Darkstar	EIE
21/04/22 02:47	devilgirl666	EIE
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	EIE
21/03/17 16:00	Jacobus	EIE
21/03/16 22:49	Tman	EIE
20/05/15 08:30	fleetingpetals1	ILI
20/05/15 07:38	Phantom	EIE
20/02/28 02:32	Lol	EIE
20/01/19 19:35	zazu	EIE
18/12/03 19:02	Taco110	EIE
18/11/13 22:27	tch	EIE
18/10/17 08:01	magnets29	EIE
18/10/13 23:32	switchblades	EIE
18/06/22 04:48	fg	EIE

date	username	vote
21/05/13 22:23	Lol	VELF
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	VELF
21/03/17 23:40	Tman	VELF
20/09/06 07:48	Flower-like	VELF
20/06/27 07:10	fleetingpetals1	VELF
20/05/15 07:38	Phantom	VELF
19/10/19 11:06	fg	VELF
19/10/15 20:18	Jacobus	VELF

date	username	vote
21/03/18 15:28	Thyssen	HEXACO

12345tp12345 INTP 5w6 2021/05/11 (Tue) 14:53:02 #8745
In response to post #8742. most unhealthy you mean

Editing post #8745 by 12345tp12345 most unhealthy you mean
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jungagain INFP 6w7 2021/05/11 (Tue) 13:10:08 #8742
Most EIE to ever EIE

Editing post #8742 by jungagain Most EIE to ever EIE
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2021/03/18 (Thu) 13:20:55 #8704
	In response to post #8703. The world is a dream, and, in a way, even the laws of thermodynamics were invented.

Editing post #8704 by Jacobus The world is a dream, and, in a way, even the laws of thermodynamics were invented.
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2021/03/18 (Thu) 00:11:45 #8699
	He means he can't articulate his thoughts as they don't make any sense.

Editing post #8699 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys He means he can't articulate his thoughts as they don't make any sense.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 23:34:34 #8698
	In response to post #8696. What do you mean by "Intuition?" Because it kind of sounds like your saying people don't need statistical evidence to prove stuff when they have a strong gut feeling that what they believe is true.

Editing post #8698 by Tman What do you mean by "Intuition?" Because it kind of sounds like your saying people don't need statistical evidence to prove stuff when they have a strong gut feeling that what they believe is true.
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	Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE 2021/03/17 (Wed) 23:02:06 #8696
	the use of data and statistics is unnecessary and even misleading where intuition is sufficient

Editing post #8696 by Jacobus the use of data and statistics is unnecessary and even misleading where intuition is sufficient
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 21:26:53 #8690
	In response to post #8688. Oh also I said, "Empirically untested, o̲r̲ ̲p̲r̲o̲v̲e̲n̲ ̲u̲n̲r̲e̲l̲i̲a̲b̲l̲e̲"

Editing post #8690 by Tman Oh also I said,<br>"Empirically untested, o̲r̲ ̲p̲r̲o̲v̲e̲n̲ ̲u̲n̲r̲e̲l̲i̲a̲b̲l̲e̲"
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 19:51:30 #8687
	In response to post #8686. I'd love to be proven wrong on this front, because I personally find MBTI very helpful. It's just that all of the evidence seems to point against it.

Editing post #8687 by Tman I'd love to be proven wrong on this front, because I personally find MBTI very helpful. It's just that all of the evidence seems to point against it.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 19:49:45 #8686
	In response to post #8685. I mean, you do know all forms of MBTI are either Empirically untested, or proven to be unreliable right? Like, no actual "Objective Sources" promote it, and most Physiologists specializing in personality view it as Pseudo Science. Like, your pretty much gate keeping Astrology here.

Editing post #8686 by Tman I mean, you do know all forms of MBTI are either Empirically untested, or proven to be unreliable right? Like, no actual "Objective Sources" promote it, and most Physiologists specializing in personality view it as Pseudo Science. Like, your pretty much gate keeping Astrology here.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/17 (Wed) 14:22:04 #8683
	By IDR functions I just meant "the none Socionics functions." So, for ISFP: it would go Fi, Se, Ni, Te. are we referring to the same basic theory here? I apologize for the confusion.

Editing post #8683 by Tman By IDR functions I just meant "the none Socionics functions." So, for ISFP: it would go Fi, Se, Ni, Te. are we referring to the same basic theory here? I apologize for the confusion.
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	Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2021/03/16 (Tue) 22:46:28 #8680
	PHSC, why ISFP in terms of IDR functions?

Editing post #8680 by Tman PHSC, why ISFP in terms of IDR functions?
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	ftp ISTP 9w8 SLI 2020/05/04 (Mon) 19:53:01 #8174
	pee pee poo poo

Editing post #8174 by ftp pee pee poo poo
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Teru Mikami 2019/05/30 (Thu) 17:47:00 #6202
he was also on meth

Editing post #6202 by Teru Mikami <p>he was also on meth</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2019/05/30 (Thu) 17:31:24 #6200
	according to Johann Chapoutot ( historian specialist of nazism who made a biography of hitler) he was not a planner at all. according to him the german military strategist did all the work. he only succeed to fake a lot of millitary skills because he was hypermnesic.

Editing post #6200 by fg <p>according to Johann Chapoutot ( historian specialist of nazism who made a biography of hitler) he was not a planner at all. according to him the german military strategist did all the work. he only succeed to fake a lot of millitary skills because he was hypermnesic.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2019/05/30 (Thu) 08:22:52 #6195
+ real intuitives wouldn't use wooden doors

Editing post #6195 by Teru Mikami <p>+ real intuitives wouldn't use wooden doors</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/22 (Fri) 22:04:37 #1430
	Russian trolls don't have a type

Editing post #1430 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>Russian trolls don't have a type</p>
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	Sleeper xxTx Nein SLE 2018/06/22 (Fri) 21:12:21 #1429
	Guess Trump isn't literally Hitler then...

Editing post #1429 by Sleeper <p>Guess Trump isn't literally Hitler then...</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/05/15 (Tue) 10:13:48 #538
	i agree with your comment about anti semitism and hitler's place on history not every politician win because he understand people, it can be party dynamic, or because he convinced people with reasonable argument, or just because the people was against the precedent candidate. Hitler only used passion .

Editing post #538 by fg <p>i agree with your comment about anti semitism and hitler's place on history</p> <p>not every politician win because he understand people, it can be party dynamic, or because he convinced people with reasonable argument, or just because the people was against the precedent candidate. Hitler only used passion .</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/05/15 (Tue) 07:41:12 #532
I wish there was a way to vote IxxP. "I follow my course with the precision and security of a sleep-walker." - Hitler

Editing post #532 by edza <p>I wish there was a way to vote IxxP.</p> <p>"I follow my course with the precision and security of a sleep-walker." - Hitler</p>
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