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Pessimism


Philosophy

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ILI 3
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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/09 (Thu) 17:10:36

#7929

Emil Cioran would be as much a pessimist as much as Aristotle would be a platonician. there is a sure inspiration in the main goal but a clear derive that impede them to fit in this box. idk about Benatar

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp

ILI

2020/04/06 (Mon) 15:37:26

#7886


What about the Anti-Natilism of David Benatar? Or the writings of Emil Cioran?

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 15:22:41

#7885

the only true philosophical pessimism is schopenhauer's.

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 14:56:40

#7884

tman,  i mea, contradictory reasoning  that lead to the concept of philosophical pessimism. there is not any similarity between those though outside a feeling that can imerge from this author.

Nietzsche is considered as pessimist but he is not . like it's mentionned in the french page

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 14:55:34

#7883

yeah i know this page. i just looked at it to see it's bullshit.

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/06 (Mon) 14:13:05

#7882

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pessimisme#Philosophie

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pessimismus#Philosophie

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 13:24:50

#7881

retroactive came from the french rectroactf . my bad.

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 13:23:28

#7880

those pessimism have nothing in common. rationalist think that reason is the mean to access to knowledge. idealists accord a primauty to idea over sense. this category only exist in english. not in french, german. this category does not have any pertinence .

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/06 (Mon) 13:00:55

#7879


True enough but one could say the same about the rationalists, idealists, post-structuralists or any other "movement". The famous "pessimist" thinkers had enough similarities to be grouped together within the same vague category, no matter how substantially different they were. And yes, did you mean to use retroactive?

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Tman

INTP

5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp

ILI

2020/04/06 (Mon) 11:47:33

#7878


 I'm not sure if this is what a posteriori means. I've never heard it used in that way. Also, I fail to see anything inhernently self contrdictory about pesmimsm.

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2020/04/06 (Mon) 06:03:43

#7877

in fact pessimism as a philosophical movement simply don't exist. it's an a posteriori reconstruction of contradictory philosophy and contradictory reasoning that lead to pessimism.

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Jacobus

INFJ

4w5

EIE

2020/04/05 (Sun) 21:22:06

#7876

Pessimism as a philosophy is not "everything is hopeless so I'm not going to try to change things". Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Leopardi, Kierkegaard, and Pascal all believed in living an active life. Pessimism is the belief that suffering and failure are inevitable and that happiness is fleeting, therefore a sort of struggle against fate is required.

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fg

xxTJ

6w5

Beta ST

2019/05/30 (Thu) 06:00:50

#6192

i voted ILI mostly because Schopenhauer is ILI. but any socionics Logical introvert can fit . Plato and Kant(LII) both were very pessimist . Plato's conclusion of the cavern allegory kind of said that humanity is doomed. Kant in critique of the pure reason's preface was very pessimist about the world of though and portrayed it as a battle that never end (metaphor of the queen metaphysics that fall under empirist revolution) while being in the enlightment century. LSI like éric Zemmour or Julius Evola tend to see the world as decadent and both despise the feminisation of society at different period and tend to have reactionnary pessimism. SLI tend to see every politician as corrupt and lack of optimism as well Gerard Depardieu and Michel Onfray both tend to think like that. 

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20/08/01 01:25LadyX INTJ
19/05/30 03:23jt ESTJ
20/04/05 13:58Tman INTJ
19/05/29 17:12fg IST
19/05/29 16:02Taco110 INTJ
19/05/27 16:15Jacobus INTJ
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20/04/05 21:22Jacobus INFJ
19/09/30 08:38Tman INTJ
19/05/29 16:02Taco110 INTJ
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22/03/07 23:11Woll Smoth 6w5
19/12/19 11:50Thyssen 6w5
20/08/01 01:25LadyX 6w5
19/05/29 18:56Tman 5w4
19/05/29 17:01fg 6w5
19/05/29 16:02Taco110 6w5
19/05/27 16:15Jacobus 6w5
dateusernamevote
20/07/29 12:00bibliology sp/sx
20/08/01 01:25LadyX sp/so
19/06/23 23:34tman sp/sx
19/05/29 16:02Taco110 sp/sx
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20/08/01 01:25LadyX 694
20/04/06 15:11Tman 549
19/12/19 11:50Thyssen 614
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19/08/17 23:59Tman ILI
19/05/29 17:12fg ILI
19/05/29 17:08Phantom ILI
19/05/29 16:02Taco110 LSI
dateusernamevote
20/04/05 21:22Jacobus LEVF
20/04/05 19:35Thyssen LFEV
20/04/05 19:34Tman LFEV